Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:07 PM
MadScientist MadScientist is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Laser Lab
Posts: 784
Default NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $194
SB: $205.85
BB: $296.80
UTG: $195
MP: $90.20
Hero (CO): $266.25

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, MP calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $32</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $22

Flop: ($68) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $44</font>, Hero?

Villain was 20/15/3.5/757.

My thinking was that this villain wasn't getting away from any smaller pair and is aggressive enough to have a low suited connector too. Is flat calling better? I could see lower pairs getting away if I flat call and the turn bricks or is an A.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:27 PM
the machine the machine is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: leveling myself
Posts: 4,975
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

calling and not folding any turn is ok as is raising and getting AI vs a guy with 3.5AF. if you think hell bluff the turn or fold 77-99 then call and get it AI on any turn, otherwise raise and get it in now
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-29-2007, 08:15 PM
Slim Pickens Slim Pickens is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: John Wayne\'s not dead.
Posts: 5,574
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

I have a hard time getting away unless I've got some reason to believe he's 3-betting you pretty tight there, like {JJ+,AK} or tighter. If he's decent, he's probably 3-betting 22-77 some of the time and most of that is calling a shove (?). I don't like calling becuase I don't think a 3.5 AF player super-spews with nothing on the turn to make up for the times you're crushed and get stacked anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-29-2007, 08:19 PM
donkeykong2 donkeykong2 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 970
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

call and use position, he pretty surely doesnt have 77-99 that might give you big equity when you shove.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-29-2007, 08:21 PM
Speedlimits Speedlimits is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,780
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

call is standard here
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-29-2007, 09:01 PM
sh58 sh58 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: brighton
Posts: 1,895
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

i like to raise this up and get it in on the flop
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-30-2007, 06:20 AM
Tanky Tanky is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 86
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

Raising is the worst option here. Call and re-evaluate the turn. If you raise it up his calling range will have you crushed, unless villain is very very bad. Your hand is pretty face up as 99-JJ, by raising you let him play pretty much perfectly against TT.

This is also massively dependent on you image, and how the SB thinks, if you are playing 30/20 your decision is different to if you are running 17/10 - assuming villain thinks.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-30-2007, 08:14 AM
Grandezza Grandezza is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 432
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

what tanky said... raising is burning money imo. vs an unknown i call and fold to further action on turn
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-30-2007, 08:38 AM
Gesangsverein Gesangsverein is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 115
Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

Villains range is AQ/AK/JJ/QQ/KK/AA imho.
Someone with 20/15/3.5/757 stats just doesn`t 3-bet worse OOP unless he is tilting or you have just tried to steal the blinds much too often in the past hands.

This means I even might be able to fold TT preflop here, but it`s marginal imho.
When I call preflop, I call on the flop as well + fold turn to further action.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.