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Old 11-30-2007, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

Thinking on next level then this AQ call is pure gold.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:20 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

I think the number of people defending/advocating AQo as a correct call is pretty sad actually.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

fold, it also spoils your image and you will get called lighter in other spots.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:31 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

I love wrecking the bubble, but I never see the BB calling tight enough to make this shove +EV in a 16. I know that most winning regs at this level are calling with AQo here. As BB I'd also assign a pretty wide range against a reg like Loxxii, who I know would likely be pushing wide here in order to gain the chiplead and pwn the bubble. I don't think unknown BB is ever folding AK here, and rarely AQ. There isn't a shortstack in danger of busting out on the next hand or anything. However, I still think BB should be folding this hand and jamming at the next opportunity.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

I should add that folding allows button and sb both to have the opportunity to shove-- and pretty much anything that happens here increases our equity, even if BB folds.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

don't go all in here
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t6655)
Hero (t2755)
SB (t1175)
BB (t2915)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ?

How about this one?
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

thats a very thin line

I'll shove QTo there but not Q9. could go either way though
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

I like that one a lot less. It's just too marginal to be worth pushing 14BBs without antes. Best case scenario it's going to be around +0.3 %EV, usually it's less. Unlike the 1st hand you don't gain the chiplead after a successful steal here either.
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:25 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

The fact that AQ or worse hands is a bad call here is completely irrelevant. It wasn't the BB who posted the hand. It IS a fact that hardly anyone is folding AQ there and when you get called by that or whatever other hands they call with it is terrible for us.
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