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Old 11-27-2007, 06:12 PM
Chaser8 Chaser8 is offline
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Default AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Bet or check?

The villain, which we will call "JerkOff", and I played this hand:

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MP: $793.70
Hero (CO): $394
BTN: $514.30
JerkOff: $425.50
BB: $406
UTG: $480.07

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">JerkOff raises to $50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $132</font>, JerkOff calls $82

Flop: ($268) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
JerkOff checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($268) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
JerkOff checks, Hero checks

River: ($268) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
JerkOff checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $262 and is All-In</font>, JerkOff folds

I shoved the river for a psb to get value from a 9 or maybe even A high. I don't think he checks flop turn and river with anything that beats my J. Shortly after, this hand happened:

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UTG: $572.35
MP: $400
Hero (CO): $631.60
BTN: $389
SB: $424.60
JerkOff: $406

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">JerkOff raises to $52</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $136</font>, JerkOff calls $84

Flop: ($274) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
JerkOff checks, Hero?

The villain's stats are 20/16/3. He has already 3bet me several times before these two hands took place. I have been folding to his 3bets up until when I 4bet with JT. He called both my 4bets fairly quick, which means he does not like to fold whatever he 3bets with.

Given our history, how do we play the rest of hand 2? I feel like checking and re-evaluating turn, but that might be too weak. Do we have enough fold equity to fold out QQ JJ TT here?
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:18 PM
Terrabon98 Terrabon98 is offline
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

What kind of 9's is he going to actually have in hand 1? I think that shove is pretty bad unless you are trying to get value out of exactly 1010 or something...

Second hand, whatever, shove some of the time, check it back some of the time. There really isn't a right or wrong answer. But I would usually shove more often than not, since AK is v likely hand for you
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

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What kind of 9's is he going to actually have in hand 1? I think that shove is pretty bad unless you are trying to get value out of exactly 1010 or something...

Second hand, whatever, shove some of the time, check it back some of the time. There really isn't a right or wrong answer. But I would usually shove more often than not, since AK is v likely hand for you

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Given that I've already shoved once not long before, do you think that he might look me up light with a pocket pair if I shove here?
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

bump
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

I shove it
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

if you think you can bet the river in hand one to get value from ace high, you might try it on this flop as well [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

i check behind, hell call lightly i guess, and also there are many draws out there he can call with and they have good Equity so i check behind and fold to any action.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

Against a villain who is 3betting you frequently, would it be better to just call with AQ and see a flop?
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

stick it in on the flop.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: AQ in 4bet pot on a K high flop. Do I fold equity here?

hand one is pretty gross imo... hand two bet flop
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