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Old 04-24-2007, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

I'll be so amazed if nobody calls.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

Without reading any of the many responses, if I hadn't seen you playing AJ in the hand my range for you here is 2 broadways 90%, PP 10%. Why else try to blast people out. I'd be calling with any PP and AQ+, definetely. I'd be amazed if no one called.

My line would be to shut down if I was you.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

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Why are we overbet pushing this flop? It looks like there might be some fishy players in the hand who will call with any overpair.

Also, doing this into 3 players I hate.

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Because of the 3 players is why I did it.

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So you thought that because you were overpushing into 3 people that they would think that you must have a big PP? Maybe more people can lay down hands in the 33r, but at the 10r, or std $50 freezouts I thnk you get called.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

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Why are we overbet pushing this flop? It looks like there might be some fishy players in the hand who will call with any overpair.

Also, doing this into 3 players I hate.

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Because of the 3 players is why I did it.

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The less players the better. These guys don't sound too observant in the first place. To me your hand would look like QQ+ but probably not to them.
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

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Why are we overbet pushing this flop? It looks like there might be some fishy players in the hand who will call with any overpair.

Also, doing this into 3 players I hate.

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Because of the 3 players is why I did it.

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So you thought that because you were overpushing into 3 people that they would think that you must have a big PP? Maybe more people can lay down hands in the 33r, but at the 10r, or std $50 freezouts I thnk you get called.

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It's more then just the fact I am repping a big pp it's the fact that even if they have me beat they may be crushed by someone still to act whose slowplaying checking to the PF 3bettor. We are clever enough to know how none of the 3 have a set on this board ever and if A5 got to the flop good for them but AK AQ are folding and so is 77 from CO and SB.

Also the overbet is by like 1500 or so I basically had a PSB left.
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

I don't like this. The CO 3bet cold-caller usually has AK or TT+, and isn't folding most of that range. Sure, you *probably* have 4-10 outs when called, but I don't think that justifies the play, since 22-55,99+ are folding basically never and your play looks desperate/transparent (either AA which makes sense only because AA would be *hoping* 55+ to call -- exactly opposite to the reason you seem to be pushing here -- or Ax pushing because even though you're behind you typically have outs when called).
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:15 PM
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I'll be so amazed if nobody calls.

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Old 04-24-2007, 03:19 PM
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Why is this a good flop to c-bet? I think this might be the board that gives you the least FE.

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Cause he has either 7 or 10 outs to a win almost always, though sometimes to a chop.


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k... well you're getting called 98% of the time.
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

Check/fold sounds about right on that flop. I can't imagine with that many cold-callers that you aren't getting looked up here. Also, your overbet push will look weak to them and someone will try to be a hero with his 99.
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: I hate you coldcallers

getting called by 99 is not the end of the world It's actually +EV compared to c/fing because of our 10 outs twice and little less then half the time we have a 26k stack and ~55% of the time we are out.
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