Collusion in canterbury 30/60 game? - Page 6

mosch · #51 07-30-2007, 02:13 AM

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If you want to know who colludes, look at the people defending adamantly that there is absolutely no collusion taking place... ever. They obviously care enough to get real defensive about it and dismissively laugh off accusations of collusion.. not to say that it really matters / is huge but if anyone is colluding its these guys.

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diagf.

if you redefine collusion to be "play like idiots", then yes, many regulars collude. however, if you mean cheating, then it's relatively rare these days, and anybody insisting otherwise is probably really lousy at poker, and quick to claim they were cheated instead of just admitting they're in over their heads.

Honestly, the situations you have described are just intelligent poker. The fact that you can't recognize this is why you lose at poker. It has nothing to do with your grand dreams of collusion.

But hey, thanks for implying that we're all dishonest cheats. That's appreciated.

P.S. get aids.

Bicycles_Biatch · #52 07-30-2007, 08:22 PM

I know I'm hated here... so I'll be brief. Collusion does just not include tugging the ear and whip-sawing a fish for 5 bets per street when you have AA and the mark has QQ.

As it's been stated before. Two friends slow-playing each-other and checking it down after their crazy action has accidently driven another player out of the hand IS a form of collusion. I can't believe this is even up for debate.

When I play 25-50 at HP with my Cousin (which we try to avoid, but unfortunately there is only one game usually going at that limit) we make a point to NOT play crazy against eachother, voluntarily flip over our hands at the show-down, and force ourselves to not talk shop at the table. We don't want anyone ... ESPECIALLY the fish... to get the feeling we are cheating or hustling them.

I think once you get to small rooms like Canterburry... these issues are magnified by the fact that everyone seems to know eachother.

I have, on several occassions (both publically and by PM) apologized to PokerBob and TT for being out of line with my collusion post... however, at the short handed game that I observed... something was definately not "normal".

Furthermore, anyone who says "There is ABSOLUTELY no chance I have ever been cheated" when it comes to a game where money is involved... is being very ignorant.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that anyone who played the orange chip no limit game at the Palms between Feb of 06' and Nov of 06' was definately the victim of colluders. However, I'm sure that had this post been about the Palms during that time frame... I would have been equally as chastized. To ignore the fact that cheating goes on in poker is ridiculous.

emerson · #53 07-30-2007, 09:52 PM

Good post. Problem is that some colluders are relatively honest people who do not feel that they would ever do anything to cheat anyone. It really bothers them to see that some of the activities they engage in on a regular basis are actually forms of collusion that give them an edge over others.

Of course, many others no full well they are colluding and don't really care. They think that all successful players must be doing this to some extent so they have to also engage so as not to be at a disadvantage.

Vehn · #54 07-31-2007, 02:11 AM

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As it's been stated before. Two friends slow-playing each-other and checking it down after their crazy action has accidently driven another player out of the hand IS a form of collusion. I can't believe this is even up for debate.

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NO ONE SOFTPLAYS ANYONE AT CP 30/60

Usagi_yo · #55 07-31-2007, 03:35 AM

FWIW

Canterbury is home to some of the So. California throw-aways from the Sycuan Indian Casino. Back in the heydey of Sycuan's cheating and Collusions problems amoungst players.

PokerBob · #56 07-31-2007, 03:41 AM

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FWIW

Canterbury is home to some of the So. California throw-aways from the Sycuan Indian Casino. Back in the heydey of Sycuan's cheating and Collusions problems amoungst players.

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fearmongering is dumb. ban this douche.

PokerBob · #57 07-31-2007, 03:55 AM

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I have, on several occassions (both publically and by PM) apologized to PokerBob and TT for being out of line with my collusion post... however, at the short handed game that I observed... something was definately not "normal".

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I don't know why you felt the need to put this paragraph in your post, but now that you did I have to respond. I was in that short-handed game. There was nothing abnormal going on. The guys you accused of colluding don't. There is nothing more to it. As Schneids so eloquently put it, "when you are so horribly off in what you consider to be good LHE play, I cannot possibly trust your ability to spot collusion because clearly in all your years of playing hold em you have not observed and soaked in what is in fact winning play. If you can't even pick up simple basic things about the game, how the hell can you spot cheating? You don't even understand aggressive poker."

Bicycles_Biatch · #58 07-31-2007, 12:16 PM

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I have, on several occassions (both publically and by PM) apologized to PokerBob and TT for being out of line with my collusion post... however, at the short handed game that I observed... something was definately not "normal".

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I don't know why you felt the need to put this paragraph in your post, but now that you did I have to respond. I was in that short-handed game. There was nothing abnormal going on. The guys you accused of colluding don't. There is nothing more to it. As Schneids so eloquently put it, "when you are so horribly off in what you consider to be good LHE play, I cannot possibly trust your ability to spot collusion because clearly in all your years of playing hold em you have not observed and soaked in what is in fact winning play. If you can't even pick up simple basic things about the game, how the hell can you spot cheating? You don't even understand aggressive poker."

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Bob... get a life... everytime someone disagrees with you... you call for a ban... everytime someone doesn't start bobbing your knob and telling you that you have the best blog in town.... you assault all aspects of their posts and their game.

Yes, sometimes I play horrendous poker... we've addresed that, thanks. But you know what else... I can't shoot a free-throw to save my life. But everytime Kobe, Shaq, or Walton chucks one up... I can tell you with about 99% accuracy whether or not it's going in.

The bottom line is this... I've played in the CP 30 game one time for about 4 hours... I can't say anything about that game with 100% certainty.

However, for ANYONE to blindly defend the fact that there is NO chance NO way NO how that cheating is going on more than we think in the game of poker... it's just an ignorant statement.

From fixed game shows, to the new NBA ref scandel, to the Peter Rose debacle... people never want to believe there is a chance of fowl play... yet time and time again we find that when money is involved, it's bound to happen.

Bicycles_Biatch · #59 07-31-2007, 12:17 PM

SIDENOTE* PokerBobs blog is pretty funny... definately worth checking out from time to time :-)

PokerBob · #60 07-31-2007, 12:40 PM

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The bottom line is this... I've played in the CP 30 game one time for about 4 hours... I can't say anything about that game with 100% certainty.

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You admit this, yet you go and make an accusation anyway.

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However, for ANYONE to blindly defend the fact that there is NO chance NO way NO how that cheating is going on more than we think in the game of poker... it's just an ignorant statement.

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Where the hell are you getting this? I am not blindly defending anything. Nor am I saying there would never be cheating anywhere ever. All I said was that the guys you played with (both I whom I have played many hours with) don't collude.