loose passiv showndownmokey limps - me in SB -> raise or call?

[timoK]

at lower limits (below 3-6$):

I noticed that several time one loose passiv showdownmonkey limps and everybody folds to me in the SB.

the BB is no someone I recognice as a "good" player.

is it the better play to just plain call?


comments & thoughts please

[milesdyson]

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at lower limits (below 3-6$):

I noticed that several time one loose passiv showdownmonkey limps and everybody folds to me in the SB.

the BB is no someone I recognice as a "good" player.

is it the better play to just plain call?


comments & thoughts please

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Sometimes I call, sometimes I fold, sometimes I raise.

There's one thing in common with all of these situations - I know my cards! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Ship that cheddar!

[timoK]

yeah well, I thought about this will reading Mozart's QTo threat and I thought about just copying his hand but...

let's just make clusters:
a) small 6 mid pairs
b) big pairs
c) non-ace boardway cards
d) Ax
e) any suited
f) connectors

I know this is much cheese [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

but just post your thoughts about some specific situations.


- with a Ax I tend to raise to knock BB out
- with small pairs I also raise to get HU
- with mid pairs I mix call and raise

and now the trip report:
- with connectors & high cards I started to just call and over a rather smallish 5k sample size I am doing pretty nice

[FatedEquity]

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- with small pairs I also raise to get HU
- with mid pairs I mix call and raise

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You're raising small pairs always, yet only raising mid pairs sometimes? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[timoK]

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You're raising small pairs always, yet only raising mid pairs sometimes? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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this only works with low limit predictable opponents.

for example UTG 40% VPIP, 10% PFR
BB any hand

stove leaves you with 34% equity with 44
and with 45% with 88

since people tend to peel most flop I often want BB in the Hand with 88 but I want to be HU with 44

[Innocentius]

If he's a showdownmonkey I don't really see why you would like to play heads up out of position with 44.

[Oink]

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let's just make clusters:
a) small 6 mid pairs
b) big pairs
c) non-ace boardway cards
d) Ax
e) any suited
f) connectors


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Equally important is BB's looseness. There is no reason to raise 66 and A6s if he calls a raise with anytwo. OTOH if he is tight and the limper is bad and loose, you should raise a lot.

The blind structure is an issue as well.

Assuming BB is tight, the limper is loose and the blind structure is 1/2:

Raise
55, A5s, A8o, K9s, KTo, QTs, QJo, JTs, T9s.
Call
22-44, any suited hand and some hands like Q9o, J8o, K8o and Axo.

If the structure is 2/3 I loosen up and raise more hands. I will also call any hand I dont raise except hands like 32o and 72o.