Limping with baby Aces

[WuTank]

Hi its my first thread i open so please be nice.And since I am german my english will propably be very bad.

I recently thought of just open limping with small aces in the cut off and the button,and I started to do so in the 25c/50c game @ VC Poker.
The problem I see with the low aces are that there is no real deception once you raise them.If you raise and hit top pair its very likely everyone will fold, while on a K,Q,J high board your continuation bet will not work and you are likely to lose the hand.What you think about this?

[gopnik]

when you raise with Ax in cut off or button, you will take down pots with cont. bets pretty often on ragged K or Q high flops. Plus, nobody ever believes that you have an A when an A flops, so you'll get called down pretty often with some crappy pair. In addition, you'll just steal the blinds very often too. Why let 83off see a free flop?

Raise.

[Innocentius]

I don't like the idea very much. First of all, you lose the opportunity to win the blinds right away. Even if the blinds are loose, and it only happens sometimes, it adds a lot of value.
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The problem I see with the low aces are that there is no real deception once you raise them.If you raise and hit top pair its very likely everyone will fold

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If you hit top pair with no kicker, and your opponent(s) fold, it's not such a bad thing.

[Oink]

I think a case can be made for it if the blinds very rarely folds preflop AND if they are good postflop. There is something about this in Hold'em For Advanced Players.
However if these conditions are not met you should raise.

[Wolfram]

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The problem I see with the low aces are that there is no real deception once you raise them.

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Deception is totally unnecessary at micro-stakes. Raise it up and watch bottom pair call you down.

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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I think a case can be made for it if the blinds very rarely folds preflop AND if they are good postflop. There is something about this in Hold'em For Advanced Players.
However if these conditions are not met you should raise.

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It has nothing to do with the blinds being good postflop. HPFAP suggests calling on the button with a hand like A6o (and folding in the cutoff) when BOTH blinds are very loose so that you often find yourself in a three-way pot. If the SB folds a lot, then go ahead and raise for value because you will happily play heads up with ace-rag vs a big blind who over-defends.

This is something that a lot of players don't understand. Certain hands are playable heads-up, but lose a ton of value in a three-way pot, especially in a raised pot. You see this, for example, among players who think that their calling range against a preflop raiser in the big blind should be just as big when the small blind calls as when the small blind folds.

Ace-high has showdown value heads-up because it can win unimproved. You have kicker problems if you hit an ace in a three-way pot and if you have the best hand unimproved, you are more prone to be bluffed off of it. Ace-little off-suit is a hand that you should avoid playing if the pot is going to be multi-way.

[kapw7]

If you limp with baby aces on CO then in theory you have to limp with some good hands as well which is losing you a lot of value at loose microgames. If you are unsure how to play it profitably postflop then just fold it. Limping is the worst option. You will have no idea where you are at post flop with three other players that they can hold anything.

[Sand]

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Ace-little off-suit is a hand that you should avoid playing if the pot is going to be multi-way.

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The OP didn't say, so it should be noted that Axs is a completely different story. Axo is a raise/fold (pushing) type hand (unless in the SB with great odds). Axs is a pulling type hand lots of times - the more in the better.

[Thorv]

I do like a raise in this position. But make sure you have a good read on opponents. This might not apply at the microlimits, but at small stakes on FTP I've been called down many times by a blind with <Ace, better kicker> too many times. If you flop the ace and continually get called, a check might not be so bad on the river if you're up against a tight player.

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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Ace-little off-suit is a hand that you should avoid playing if the pot is going to be multi-way.

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The OP didn't say, so it should be noted that Axs is a completely different story. Axo is a raise/fold (pushing) type hand (unless in the SB with great odds). Axs is a pulling type hand lots of times - the more in the better.

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When it's folded to you in the CO or on the button and you have ace-little suited, you're not going to be able to pull a lot of players in because most of them have already folded. On the button, I think I might raise with A6s and call with A2s against very loose blinds. From the CO, I think I might raise with A6s and fold A2s, especially if the button is also very loose and calls two bets cold a lot. At a tighter table, I might raise more often with worse kickers, but I think it is a mistake to raise 100% of the time with any ace in the CO no matter how your opponents play.