25NL: AA facing all in on flop

digit · #1 08-25-2007, 02:56 PM

Completely unknown villian, no reads, no stats, only 2nd hand at the table. Maybe checking the flop is wrong, but it looks dry and i imagine the best chance of getting another bet out of the villian is to check to him. As you will see my check raise gets replied to with an all in, should I have folded here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($24.75)
BB ($34.90)
UTG ($24.65)
MP ($23.65)
CO ($24.40)
Button ($35.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($2.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero raises to $3, Button raises to $34.35, Hero calls $20.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($49.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($49.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $60.60

carnivalhobo · #2 08-25-2007, 02:58 PM

cant fold after you take this line

lead the flop

Pokerdemic · #3 08-25-2007, 03:05 PM

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cant fold after you take this line

lead the flop

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I am on a sick, sick downswing with AA, and at the moment I am tired of being stacked with an overpair. You say that he cant fold after taking this line. Why? Because it's a bluff? Why can't he fold with only $4 invested?

carnivalhobo · #4 08-25-2007, 03:07 PM

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cant fold after you take this line

lead the flop

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I am on a sick, sick downswing with AA, and at the moment I am tired of being stacked with an overpair. You say that he cant fold after taking this line. Why? Because it's a bluff? Why can't he fold with only $4 invested?

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get that "invested" talk out of your vocabulary.

Essentially Hero's line looks like total BS so villain can/should be shoving a huge range here.

Pokerdemic · #5 08-25-2007, 03:11 PM

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cant fold after you take this line

lead the flop

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I am on a sick, sick downswing with AA, and at the moment I am tired of being stacked with an overpair. You say that he cant fold after taking this line. Why? Because it's a bluff? Why can't he fold with only $4 invested?

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get that "invested" talk out of your vocabulary.

Essentially Hero's line looks like total BS so villain can/should be shoving a huge range here.

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will do. I just hate AA at the moment. what percentage of the time do you think unknown villain does this with a smaller pp or air?

whyzze · #6 08-25-2007, 03:18 PM

you cant call the shove...you took a very aggressive line and he took a more aggresive one. foooooollldddd..

bet flop for value...if he folds...he folds.

and if you are going to c/r...at least make it 4-5.

tarheeljks · #7 08-25-2007, 05:39 PM

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cant fold after you take this line

lead the flop

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I am on a sick, sick downswing with AA, and at the moment I am tired of being stacked with an overpair. You say that he cant fold after taking this line. Why? Because it's a bluff? Why can't he fold with only $4 invested?

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get that "invested" talk out of your vocabulary.

Essentially Hero's line looks like total BS so villain can/should be shoving a huge range here.

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will do. I just hate AA at the moment. what percentage of the time do you think unknown villain does this with a smaller pp or air?

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hero's line looks completely fos, so it's reasonable for villain to turn a pp into a bluff. the only reason to c/r here is to induce a bluff b/c it looks like air.

jerryf1914 · #8 08-26-2007, 05:02 AM

thats one of the best flops possible for aa not including an A.

theres no way you lost this hand btw...

digit · #9 08-26-2007, 01:42 PM

I certainly did lose this hand, Villian had Q7. Should I have given him credit for having a 7 or pocket 4's when he shoved after my check-raise?

Vedocorban · #10 08-26-2007, 02:01 PM

Raise slightly more preflop, about 6-7 BBs. The 4x+1 rule applies when you have position, but you need to scale it up a notch when OOP.

Lead the flop. And yeah, I probably get it all in here, too. The board just didn't as many hands as something 89T. Expect to see smaller PPs and the occasional A4, straight draw, etc.