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Old 09-27-2007, 12:50 PM
sebastien sebastien is offline
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Default KTo bb

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players

vilain is unknow
sb is a 67/8.7/1.3 about 103 hands
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG, folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

someone raise here??

flop :A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

what is standard play here??

river 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

is it retarded to donk??
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:08 PM
billy51 billy51 is offline
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Default Re: KTo bb

I would check/call given the scary board. I think there is a good chance villian has Ax so there is a reasonable chance your 2-pair is good. I can kind of see the argument for a bet/fold line, but I usually prefer showing this hand down for at most one bet especially against an unknown. I might be missing some value though, so I would be curious to hear if others disagree.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:11 PM
NevadaKaz NevadaKaz is offline
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Default Re: KTo bb

Preflop: I mix it up between raise and check.

River I mix between b/c and c/c. Here I am liking b/c.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: KTo bb

I see no reason to donk here. check and call. I would absolutely hate to get raised, if i'm putting a bet in it's going to be to get to a showdown.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:37 PM
JSmith2007 JSmith2007 is offline
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Default Re: KTo bb

I don't think it's retarded per se to donk the river, but I think a check is the better play.

For preflop, I think your check is fine, some raise, some check really just player dependent.

On the turn, I'm reraising that, maybe not standard to most, but for me I think that's an easy reraise really. If he's got the jack, you're drawing out anyway so by reraising you're trying to show the jack as well.

More times than not he won't have the jack and will have some ace more times than a jack making your raise +EV.

A check/call on the river is fine, raising dependent on the player.
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Old 09-27-2007, 10:14 PM
NinaWilliams NinaWilliams is offline
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Default Re: KTo bb

I check river but donk doesnt seem too bad. He really shouldnt have a better hand here because they either raise pf or dont raise flop.

Pf is an easy raise with a poster in.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:09 PM
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if you're going to donk anywhere it would be the turn
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: KTo bb

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if you're going to donk anywhere it would be the turn

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Just curious, what is the reasoning for leading the turn? Are we folding if we get raised?
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: KTo bb

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if you're going to donk anywhere it would be the turn

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Just curious, what is the reasoning for leading the turn? Are we folding if we get raised?

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we just pulled ahead of a lot of hands in his range and the turn will check through a fair amount when he is behind but he has 10 outs if he has a naked ace. and yes fold if raised. less good things can happen if we donk the river than if we donk the turn.
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