Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)

[DopamineRelease]

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LMFAO AT Andathar making a online is rigged thread.

It's not rigged retard, the best hand won.

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I guess you just read the OP and neglected to read and look over the other HHs and pt stats. In the trny hand, yeah the best hand won but how the [censored] do you make that kind of call HU in that trny? It is blatantly obvious that something is going on here

[randomfrost]

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[adanthar]

standout hands from that sample:

MACHINEGUNIA - Posts small blind $10
BIGHEAD909 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
MANUTEBOLJR - Raises $80 to $80
XAJA1 - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $200 to $200
MACHINEGUNIA - Folds
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $120
*** FLOP *** [10d 6s Js]
MANUTEBOLJR - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $40
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $40
*** TURN *** [10d 6s Js] [7c]
MANUTEBOLJR - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** RIVER *** [10d 6s Js 7c] [10s]
MANUTEBOLJR - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $60
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [6d As] (Two Pair, tens and sixes)
MANUTEBOLJR - Shows [Jd Kh] (Two Pair, jacks and tens)
MANUTEBOLJR Collects $627 from main pot

he does this weird minbet semibluff/bluff thing on scare cards a lot. that is the only time he ever throws away $ while behind. it's possibly to set up big plays on future hands.

here's how he more typically loses money:

Dealt to P0KERCR0AKER [Qs 10c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $80 to $80
P0KERCR0AKER - Calls $80
BIGHEAD909 - Calls $80
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
XAJA1 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [4c 9d 4h]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
P0KERCR0AKER - Checks
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $120
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $120
P0KERCR0AKER - Folds
*** TURN *** [4c 9d 4h] [As]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $17420
BIGHEAD909 - All-In $472
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($16948) : not called
*** RIVER *** [4c 9d 4h As] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [5d Kh] (One pair, fours)
BIGHEAD909 - Shows [9c 7c] (Two Pair, nines and fours)
BIGHEAD909 Collects $1451 from main pot

bluffs when a scare card hits, failure. again, he's not actually good at poker or anything.

biggest pot he lost this session:
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Calls $30
REDDRAG0N - Folds
FRISCOMELT - Folds
CASH369 - Calls $30
THIRDMILLION - Calls $15
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $90 to $120
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Raises $420 to $450
CASH369 - Folds
THIRDMILLION - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $330
*** FLOP *** [4c 4s 3d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Bets $600
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In(Raise) $6979 to $6979
HOWDUZZYDOIT - All-In $2116.50
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($4262.50) : not called
*** TURN *** [4c 4s 3d] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [4c 4s 3d 2c] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7h 10s] (One pair, fours)
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Shows [Qs Ac] (One pair, fours)
HOWDUZZYDOIT Collects $6390 from main pot

Note what happened here: he raises and calls a limp/reraise, then CR's the LRR'r (who put in 30% of his stack so far) AI on a 4 high flop. It's a completely ridiculous play, unless...yeah.

So much for hands he loses. Now let's look at hands he wins:

THE GRINDER - Folds
IKESTOYS - Raises $120 to $120
CASH369 - Folds
A2STEAKSAUCE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $90
*** FLOP *** [10h 5c 9s]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
IKESTOYS - Bets $210
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $1260 to $1260
IKESTOYS - Calls $1050
*** TURN *** [10h 5c 9s] [6h]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $2500
IKESTOYS - Calls $2500
*** RIVER *** [10h 5c 9s 6h] [9c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $9500
IKESTOYS - Calls $9500
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [10c 10s] (Full house, tens full of nines)
IKESTOYS - Mucks
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $26772 from main pot

The only time he's ever checkraised the flop big vs. an overpair, he has top set. That's also the only time that he just calls tens PF (remember, this is the same guy who raised T7o from the BB and called a big reraise.)

Speaking of T7o:

IKESTOYS - Folds
CASH369 - Folds
A2STEAKSAUCE - Folds
PHWAP - Raises $90 to $90
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $75
THE GRINDER - Folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 4h 8h]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
PHWAP - Bets $144
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $144
*** TURN *** [4d 4h 8h] [Qs]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
PHWAP - Bets $255
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $1020 to $1020
PHWAP - All-In $666
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($99) : not called
*** RIVER *** [4d 4h 8h Qs] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PHWAP - Shows [Ac 8s] (Full house, fours full of eights)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7h Qh] (Full house, fours full of queens)

Here, he flops a flush draw with an overcard and a 7 that might be good. Against a shortstack with 30 BB, that's the nuts. When you're someone who CR's T7o on a 443 flop, it's the ultranuts. And yet, he just check/calls the flop, then CR's the turn when he hits the Q. How does this make sense? It's played perfectly if your opponent has exactly A8o.

There is a lot more of this.

[ibluffoldladies]

Pokerlogist, you must have a financial interest in AP to even consider those six lame excuses in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[mason55]

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Come on. I've seen hero river calls like this before that had nothing do do with "superuser" accounts . The famous texaslimitking one was mentioned already and recently Negreanu vs Stinger has been posted, and srugby mentioned one vs. him for $1m live.
More likely explanations:
1)potripper was simply a rich donk calling station
2)he wasn't paying attention
3)he misclicked
4)he's metagaming
5)he didn't want to be bullied
6)he had a big chip lead and could afford to take a chance to finish the match.

The Doubledrag data is based on a tiny sample from a high variance hyperagg player who simply ran hot. In the long run this type of play will lose tons.

If AP poker wanted to reward someone they could write them check or another hundred ways better than jeopardizing their entire business with a "superuser" account.

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STAGE #896718901 TOURNEY ID 1883389 HOLDEM MULTI NORMAL TOURNAMENT NO LIMIT $250 - 2007-09-12 22:39:40 (ET)
Table: 13 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - OBV_DONK ($8515 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($48257 in chips)
Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($14248 in chips)
Seat 5 - POKERME420 ($11540 in chips)
Seat 6 - JINXY_MONKEY ($11485 in chips)
Seat 7 - CLOVER777 ($7280 in chips)
Seat 8 - KOOLKEITH13 ($2609 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($13536 in chips)
OBV_DONK - Ante $25
POTRIPPER - Ante $25
POTR0AST - Ante $25
POKERME420 - Ante $25
JINXY_MONKEY - Ante $25
CLOVER777 - Ante $25
KOOLKEITH13 - Ante $25
SCARFACE_79 - Ante $25
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $125
POTR0AST - Posts big blind $250
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to JINXY_MONKEY [Qc 7s]
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $375 to $500
POTR0AST - Calls $250
*** FLOP *** [6d 2d 7h]
POTRIPPER - Bets $500
POTR0AST - Raises $1000 to $1000
POTRIPPER - Raises $3250 to $3750
POTR0AST - Raises $12500 to $13500
POTRIPPER - Calls $9750
*** TURN *** [6d 2d 7h] [2c]
POTRIPPER - All-In $34232
POTR0AST - All-In $223
POTRIPPER - returned ($34009) : not called
*** RIVER *** [6d 2d 7h 2c] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [Ad 6s] (Two Pair, sixes and twos)
POTR0AST - Shows [10h 9s] (Two Pair, nines and twos)
POTR0AST Collects $28646 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($28646)
Board [6d 2d 7h 2c 9c]
Seat 2: OBV_DONK (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (small blind) HI:lost with Two Pair, sixes and twos [Ad 6s - P:6s,B:6d,B:2d,B:2c,P:Ad]
Seat 4: POTR0AST (big blind) won Total ($28646) All-In HI$28646) with Two Pair, nines and twos [10h 9s - P:9s,B:9c,B:2d,B:2c,P:10h]
Seat 5: POKERME420 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: JINXY_MONKEY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: CLOVER777 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: KOOLKEITH13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: SCARFACE_79 Folded on the POCKET CARDS

He played 76/60 while at my table and had an infinite river agression.

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That's Thayer's HH from the same tournament. Note he had 48K at 125/250 - this is a tourney where 90% of the extremely tough playerbase is in the 9-11K range after the first hour, because you start with 1000 BB and people just play their cards. He might've been dealt AA vs. KK 3-4 times, but that alone is a statistical improbability.

So he minraises, hits 2PTK on a 762 flop, bet/3 bets the BB and then calls a monster 4 bet. With A6. And it's good.

There is no misclicking involved here.

[NoahSD]

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*** FLOP *** [10d 6s Js]
MANUTEBOLJR - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [6d As] (Two Pair, tens and sixes)
MANUTEBOLJR - Shows [Jd Kh] (Two Pair, jacks and tens)


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This is pretty weird for a guy who knows he's behind.. but I guess he does seem to be pretty retarded.

[adanthar]

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*** FLOP *** [10d 6s Js]
MANUTEBOLJR - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [6d As] (Two Pair, tens and sixes)
MANUTEBOLJR - Shows [Jd Kh] (Two Pair, jacks and tens)


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This is pretty weird for a guy who knows he's behind.. but I guess he does seem to be pretty retarded.

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remember that if he hits a 6 or spades show up or whatever his next bet is 3x pot and the one after that is a shove. actually, you might not remember it, but I do because I have 300 hands (counting ike's) where he does that like two hundred times and never gets called by a monster.

[realjaydub]

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LMFAO AT Andathar making a online is rigged thread.

It's not rigged retard, the best hand won.

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Thanks for your contribution! It's clear you are both well-informed and intelligent.

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It's called sarcasm nerd...and you're in the same boat with Andathar.

You two are the biggest op defenders here. Perhaps you two morons will lighten up on people who post their suspicions in the future?

The idiots(including nath and andathar) who didn't think op could be manipulated in some way and constantly flamed the curiosity of those who questioned the legitmacy of online poker have suddendly had a change of mind....lol about time bozo's.

[donger]

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*** FLOP *** [10d 6s Js]
MANUTEBOLJR - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [6d As] (Two Pair, tens and sixes)
MANUTEBOLJR - Shows [Jd Kh] (Two Pair, jacks and tens)


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This is pretty weird for a guy who knows he's behind.. but I guess he does seem to be pretty retarded.

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remember that if he hits a 6 or spades show up or whatever his next bet is 3x pot and the one after that is a shove. actually, you might not remember it, but I do because I have 300 hands (counting ike's) where he does that like two hundred times and never gets called by a monster.

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I'm just curious, how is this guy cheating in sophisticated, thoughtful ways like this, but also making ridiculous, obvious, bound-to-get-you-busted plays like the T high river call? These don't seem congruent.

EDIT: just re-read. These both seem dumb.