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Old 01-06-2007, 04:17 AM
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Default AA on a paried board. River decision

villain in this hand was relatively unknown and i had only played maybe 30 hands wiht him when this hand occurred. he had been a calling station in the few hands i did see him play, both pre and post flop
I had been playing my regular game 23/16/2.6

i was pretty lost on this river. i think its fairly obv he had a draw, pair of K's, or a 9 but hard to say which. the obvious flush draw missed but many guys would also play AK/KQ/KJ exactly like villain did. would you ever give an unknown credit for a 9 when he flat calls 2 streets?
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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $12
CO: $61.10
Button: $65.85
Hero: $271.75
BB: $111

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($11, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($27, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $19</font>, BB calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($65, 2 players) <font color="red"> HERO??? </font>
does this river change anything? villain has ~80 behind.

what do you put villain on here? what is the best line?

bet - how much? if we bet do we ever make a smaller bet than a push? if we dont push, do we ever bet/fold? villains stack size is pretty awkward in this spot.

ch/c - get value out of busted flush draws/weak K's? but is a K ever folding if we had jsut lead?

ch/fold - seems really bad but is checking wiht the intention to call a small bet/fold to a psuh correct here
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:21 AM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

i think turn bet should be a different size to ease the river stack size problem - either bigger to get ai or smaller to control

i'd go for a ch call here because i have a feeling he'd bet more hands than he calls, since he's calling range (that we beat) is basically only a K
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:22 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

I hear ya about all your questions and they all make sense.

I doubt a King ever folds the river. So I'm going to bet it for value. and I'd call a push.
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:23 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

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i think turn bet should be a different size to ease the river stack size problem - either bigger to get ai or smaller to control

i'd go for a ch call here because i have a feeling he'd bet more hands than he calls, since he's calling range (that we beat) is basically only a K

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good point about the turn. I think this also applies about the flop.

Do you think a King is always betting this river? Does KQ bet the river?
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:35 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

most kings wont bet the river unless hes really aggresive. Check call river if hes gonna bluff missed hearts more often than hed call with a K. So if hes aggro check/call. If hes passive bet wtv. hell call.
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:39 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

Villain is 2.6 agf, but you don't have enough hands to see his river agf. I'd just check/call, he's right in the middle of being aggressive or passive, perhaps leaning a bit towards aggressive.

And yeh, bet sizing - making it $7 on the flop leads to a $25 turn, betting $16 on the turn leads to a $57 river... I always try to make that kind of size bet OOP.
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:42 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

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i think turn bet should be a different size to ease the river stack size problem - either bigger to get ai or smaller to control


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this is good advice... i had been double barreling often so i jsut made my standard flop and turn bets without thinkg much baout the size ofthe pot and how it related to stack sizes. in retrospect (regardless of results) i suppose i shouldve either:

a)bet pot on both the flop and turn, to set up a river pot sized push

b)bet exactly what i did KNOWING i was going to ch/c any river

3) fold preflop


one more question... does anyone ever go for stack-a-donk turn ch/r on a paired/drawyy board like this one?
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Old 01-06-2007, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

so what do you guys put vilain on?
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Old 01-06-2007, 05:01 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

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so what do you guys put vilain on?

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K, bet/call
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Old 01-06-2007, 05:38 AM
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Default Re: AA on a paried board. River decision

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one more question... does anyone ever go for stack-a-donk turn ch/r on a paired/drawyy board like this one?

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Not this board, low paired boards are better to do this on with AA. A c/rai will probably blow off KQ/KJ here.
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