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Old 08-25-2007, 06:58 AM
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Default i have to shove this river - right?

Villain 27/7/0.6

Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $297.45
Hero: $252.2
CO: $92.2
Button: $73
SB: $263.22
BB: $181.52

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($16, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $12</font>, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($40, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $32</font>, SB calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($104, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $82</font>,
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:02 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

bump <font color="white">your chips into the pot obv </font>
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

This spot kinda sucks. The only hand you are realistically behind is kq, although even that doesn't make a lot of sense. I would shove hoping villain just found himself in a [censored] spot with AJ/AT and didnt know what to do by the river so he bet. There is also always the chance villain just backdoored a flush with TJc or he just has a king.
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

If he is somewhat reasonble in his play I think you should just call here.
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:30 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

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If he is somewhat reasonble in his play I think you should just call here.

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so AK and KQ are in his range, but also a straight or possible flush.. Or maybe just a pair of aces.. I think he will call enough with worse that a push is +ev.. I could be wrong tho.
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:08 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

I cant see any hand that maks sense here other then KX (no boat) He is really passive but surely a passive guy is raising/donking AK/KQ somewhere in the hand
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:32 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

Push it like its hawt!
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:35 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

I'd just call. Too many big cards out there IMO.
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Old 08-25-2007, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

You saw his aggression factor of 0.6? This really would lead me to belive he just filled his KQ (or AK - then you really should start berating him) so a call is probably more safe than a push. If he has any brain he really doesnt get aggro on the river with a flush/straight/ Kx-non FH hand.
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Old 08-25-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: i have to shove this river - right?

what is your image? would there be any reason villain would be calling you down with a K other than AK or KQ? Is there any reason villain would be trying to bluff you on this river? Would he lead with AQ or AJ on this river?

I can't see him backdooring a flush so realistically i put his range at KQ,AK,KK,AA,JT. I rarely see these passive players make moves like this without a very solid hand.
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