new more damning absolute evidence

[Artsemis]

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I haven't read this whole thread to see if this has been noticed before but why doesn't Potripper show up on the flop action of this particular hand?

Stage #896584233 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20 - 2007-09-12 21:17:06.011 (ET)
Table: 13 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 5 - POKERME420 ($10300 in chips)
Seat 7 - DZ00NUTS ($8292 in chips)
Seat 8 - KOOLKEITH13 ($9960 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($9970 in chips)
Seat 1 - BIGREDAK86 ($9940 in chips)
Seat 2 - JOSIAHW ($7466 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($24137 in chips)
Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($9865 in chips)
POKERME420 - Posts small blind $10
DZ00NUTS - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BIGREDAK86 [Kc Qh]
Dealt to JOSIAHW [7d Js]
Dealt to POTRIPPER [10c 5d]
Dealt to POTR0AST [10s 2s]
Dealt to POKERME420 [6h Qs]
Dealt to DZ00NUTS [7c Jh]
Dealt to KOOLKEITH13 [10d 6c]
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9d Ad]
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $50 to $50
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $180 to $180
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $180
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $130
*** FLOP *** [4h 9s Ah]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - Checks
*** TURN *** [4h 9s Ah] [2h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
SCARFACE_79 - Bets $280
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - returned ($280) : not called

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[indianaV8]

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Tks for dropping by and giving us first-hand knowledge of how the fish think.

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No, it has to do mob-psychology and perception. I was ready to bet 3 times my monthly salary that I'll get this response. Unfortunatelly no one took the bet and I only won a beer from colleague.

[ikestoys]

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Alobar-

The goal isn't to put Abso out of business, it is to compensate aggrieved players and to work to have better security at the site. While I appreciate your concern for me playing at Abso, I play there because it would be wrong to let all those suckers keep there money. I have little faith in people like you or "the poker community" to gt my money back so the only thing i can do is to grind it back

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So why not grind it back at a different site where you know they have better security and arent run by liars?

part of the problem is absolute knows it doesnt have to compensate aggrieved players or improve their security, because they have no incentive to do so, because it doesnt matter because everyone will still play there. If anything they have incentive NOT to do so because doing so actually costs them money and reputation, not doing so costs them nothing.

If I went to a grocery store and got ripped off by the cashier and management basically told me they looked into it and there was no wrong doing even tho there was proof there was. I would stop going to that grocery store. I guess you've decided that even with the possibility of getting ripped off its still more profitable to play there, but IMO making that decision means you lose all right to bitch about getting ripped off.

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Have you spoken to absolute security reps? Have you been personally involved in the investigation at all? Because it seems totally plausible in my conversations that they really are that dumb. You really don't know what AP is thinking alobar

Also, I'm on the lookout for suspicious activity now, and won't let something like that happen again.

As for why I still play there, I [censored] RUN AT 7+ptbb/100 over 200k hands... jeeez

[Body Man D]

I hadn't seen this linked yet but here is the HH in PXF replayer form from SHEETS at P5s.

http://www.pocketfives.com/3D299A68-...8FD0A29A2.aspx

[MadMaestro]

Has anyone asked Lee Jones if he (or any other PStars admins) can see the players' hole cards when he observes a table? While it might seem obviously exploitable, it wouldn't surprise me for there to be at least one 'master observer' account on every poker site. Lee?

---MM

[getterdone36]

ty body man for linking for me

[g-p]

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I haven't read this whole thread to see if this has been noticed before but why doesn't Potripper show up on the flop action of this particular hand?

Stage #896584233 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20 - 2007-09-12 21:17:06.011 (ET)
Table: 13 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 5 - POKERME420 ($10300 in chips)
Seat 7 - DZ00NUTS ($8292 in chips)
Seat 8 - KOOLKEITH13 ($9960 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($9970 in chips)
Seat 1 - BIGREDAK86 ($9940 in chips)
Seat 2 - JOSIAHW ($7466 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($24137 in chips)
Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($9865 in chips)
POKERME420 - Posts small blind $10
DZ00NUTS - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BIGREDAK86 [Kc Qh]
Dealt to JOSIAHW [7d Js]
Dealt to POTRIPPER [10c 5d]
Dealt to POTR0AST [10s 2s]
Dealt to POKERME420 [6h Qs]
Dealt to DZ00NUTS [7c Jh]
Dealt to KOOLKEITH13 [10d 6c]
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9d Ad]
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $50 to $50
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $180 to $180
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $180
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $130
*** FLOP *** [4h 9s Ah]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - Checks
*** TURN *** [4h 9s Ah] [2h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
SCARFACE_79 - Bets $280
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - returned ($280) : not called

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if i had T5o and could see their cards id probably play it the same

[greg nice]

josem makes a good point

consequently, maybe user 363 is the one that generates the HHs with all the cards. potripper somehow gets in tough with 363 and cheats

when a player requests the HH from AP, AP simply grabs them from 363 account

[jalexand42]

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josem makes a good point

consequently, maybe user 363 is the one that generates the HHs with all the cards. potripper somehow gets in tough with 363 and cheats

when a player requests the HH from AP, AP simply grabs them from 363 account

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Nah, almost 0% chance the software would be coded this way, it almost certainly just stores the hand information to a database and it was retrieved into that excel file.

User 363 almost has to be an insider (likely technology staff) created account.

[OrangeKing]

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I think this thing will gain traction if we can get Cardplayer or somewhere to run the story. There are disincentives for them to run it, but on the other hand if say Bluff have it and they don't, that's likely to be a dent in their sales.

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cardplayer isnt going to run a negative scandal story on one of its advertisers. Neither is bluff

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Are poker magazines that beholden to their advertisers? It wouldn't surprise me, but at the same time, lots of magazines are careful to ensure there's no relationship between their editorial department and the products they advertise. Then again, there are obviously plenty who could care less, and the more I think about it, the more I can imagine poker magazines tending to be in that camp.