Deep KK faces massive overbet flop push...

[urbanati]

Villain is 55/12/2.6. My image is quite nitty at this table.
Although he did weird things he never did this before...

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
3 players
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Stack sizes:
Button: $202.90
SB: $1.136.45
urbanati: $383.75

Pre-flop: (3 players) urbanati is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati raises to $15</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($30, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati bets $20</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB calls all-in</font>...

[Orsman]

without that much invested in the pot I would fold. That's maybe to tight but I think we are SA/WB in this case and don't see any point in gamble when 200bbs deep

[terp]

orsman: there's no real way to be SA on this board unless he has EXACTLY T8, which is the closest to SA we come.

in addition, how far ahead/behind we tend to be against particular segments of his range is of no consequence, since we only face one decision. we need to determine overall some estimate of our equity.

i'd have a really hard time folding here urbanati. some fish simply are 100% straightforward in these spots and always have KK beaten.

without a read like that, though, i'd call.

[mertzo]

Call and get the gamb00l on

[rapidacid]

I'd snap call.

[Unknown Soldier]

id be pretty happy in this spot

[Orsman]

terp:

well SA/WB might be a wrong statement from my part but what I ment was that when we call this we will almost never be favorites. I'm not a huge fan of variance and that is probably influencing my reasoning here though.

[kolotoure]

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terp:

well SA/WB might be a wrong statement from my part but what I ment was that when we call this we will almost never be favorites. I'm not a huge fan of variance and that is probably influencing my reasoning here though.

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???

[Nielsio]

Seems like an easy fold. You just cannot pay off here. He called $11 more preflop to win $384. That means he has an overlay to call with 94o and outflop your KK if you're gonna pay off here.

Or to put it in terms of set-mine odds: he doesn't have 8-10 times, no, he has 35 times odds.

[ttgirl]

i dont understand how were either SA or never favorites here. both statements are completely true. you cant just insert standard 2p2 cookie cutter comment for every single hand, you actually need to read them.