Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

[Josem]

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I realize that, but it's a reality. No sites allow it but it can be exploited.

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fyp

[Bobo Fett]

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I realize that, but it's a reality. No sites permit it but it can be exploited.

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fyp

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FYFYP

[Josem]

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I'm a nit

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FYFYFYP

[Bobo Fett]

[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Guilty.

Still, it's an important distinction, and I thought it should be recognized that whether it's permitted or not, it still happens.

[sparky3474]

Face it guys, they have no proactive software running looking for bots if they did it did not work worth beans. That is what they are not going to tell you, we got gotts trying to find bots if it does not hit us in the face we can not find it.

So what happened, botfinder kicked out 3 names after years worth of hands and then FT said, hmmm, lets look into this more takes 3 weeks and decides, I don't think so.

I think it is more like someone gives FT a heads up/tip, they look at stats for a few minutes and freeze up the account. Take several weeks to do some analysis and come to a conclusion, if botfinder was real and worked it would have been flagging this account for months showing a situation that needs attention and not have popped out "guys, we have a bot at 170k, should we let it go to a quarter million"

[Tetrahedron]

I am a graduate student who rarely has time to play poker. But as a backup in case I don't pass my qualifying exam, I began a data mining operation on Full Tilt's Limit Games about 3 months ago. Like Gehrig, my reasons are selfish. I will use the database to identify the fish, avoid the sharks, and to improve my game play, so that I can emulate the big winners like Freedom25, Fatal Fog, etc. Unlike Gehrig, I am willing to share this data base with anyone who asks. But I do need to find a site that will host it.

Anyone who sifts through the database will see that Gehrig is not being completely honest in his postings. And I feel that for the sake of sportsmanship, the record should be cleared.


In one of his first postings in this thread he writes:

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: grego, poker girl z, beatme1 and daurgman in the last few months all play exactly the same (but different from the first group) and all get the same obvious poker-stuff wrong. none of them have ever had bot timing tells that i've observed.


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This should trigger warning bells. First he supplies no evidence. But worse beatme1 hasn’t been playing in the past few months! In no small part due to his efforts, she's been banned!

After this post from Ryanski appeared:
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:No arguments about pok z and greggo`s timing tells, barely watched them ever, but the 15 minutes I watched daurgman, guy paused every time it was his turn to act, preflop, postflop, whatever, it was very consistent.


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Gehrig “flip flops” on Daurgman:

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: i took it for granted just from the fact that the stats were posted that daurgman was the same as pokergirl/grego, but it's clear that pokergirl/grego/beatme play the same which is unlike any other regular.


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He had no evidence that daurgman is poker girl but he said it anyway. And he's been trying to bring Beatme back into this even though she's been gone for 6 months. Do you really think he's telling the truth now when he says:
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i dont accuse ppl of things until im pretty [censored] sure


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I think he does accuse people if he thinks he can get away with it and it benefits him financially to do so.


Another disingenuous tactic is his desire to tie other purported "bots" to Poker girl by posting their statistics. In a manner reminicent of George Bush talking about Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Ladan in the same breath, hoping an uncritical listener would assume they are linked without ever explicitly saying they're linked, he outs other "bots" by comparing them to Daurgman. Even though he just admitted he's not sure if Daurgman and Poker Girl are linked.

Then, he makes this curious statement:

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:from those screens i just posted the most curious stat is the check flop after pre flop raise stat. checking 12% is very uncommon


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It is clear after some analysis of FT HU players that this is complete [censored] that he expects to never be called on. (In other words, he’s lying with statistics.)

For example, if he wishes to use this curious stat to out bots, we should take note that of the following winning players who have the same statistic:

Fatal Fog (12.26%) 6137 hands observed (won over $200,000)
Readeren Metal 7508 hands observed (12.12%) (won over $200,000)
Nizot Skizared: 1500 hands observed (14.01%) (won $100,000)
Quaternion (10.89%) 1894 hands observed (won over $28K)

It should also be noted that PokerGirl z and Greggo both have about a 6% check statistic here, which would appear to differentiate them from Daurgman.


Nevertheless if he wants to argue that the check-flop-after-preflop-raise-percentage statistic is a good way to find bots, note that Gehrig’s 3.1% is very similar to FinddaGrind’s ($722,000 in 3 months) 2.54%. Freedom25’s ($449,000 in 3 months) 3.93% and qsdaddy’s 2.44%. Are they all the same??? My database shows that Gerhig has never played a hand with neither FindaGrind nor Freedom25! They must be bots! FTP should seize their accounts and "reimburse the victims”! I bet they could scoop over 2 million this way!

[Rek]

LOL Tetra.

You just happened to be data mining?
You don't play much poker?
You just happened to be browsing 2+2?
You just happened to stumble on this thread?
You decided to read it all?
This is your 1st post?

And I thought you said you were not going to post here anymore?

[wheeler]

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Unlike Gehrig, I am willing to share this data base with anyone who asks. But I do need to find a site that will host it.


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Hi tetrahedron, I can host your database. I made an ftp account for you to upload it:
ftp://oxnard.dreamhost.com
user: tetrahedron
password: sent by pm

Or, if you prefer, put it on rapidshare etc. and I'll rehost it from there.

If you upload it, I'll make it publicly accessible and post the link in this thread.

[[Phill]]

My first reaction to the Tetra post is "welcome back Sal".

My second reaction is whilst the person presenting the info might be dubious, the info itself should be able to stand or fall on its own merits.

I have nothing first hand to bring to the table, but i hope Gehrig or someone like that does so. Either way i strongly suspect this is a case of missing the wood for the trees.

[wheeler]

Here are tetrahedron's hand histories.

http://littlegroup.org/tetrahedron/FTMine.zip

(27 MB zipped, ~330 MB once unzipped).