1/2 pl interesting flop decision

[krammatrix]

1/2 pl on fulltilt. new to table no reads. no hh sorry. I have 280 to start this hand, MP1 has 250, SB has about 100. I'm in BB.

Dealt to HERO: 9c5s4c5c

a few folds, MP1 limps, sb completes, I check.

FLOP: 954r
SB leads for pot, I raise pot, MP1 raises pot, MP1 thinks and pushes, I?

Its 100 something to call, i'm obv not gonna smooth call it, its push or fold. Is this a standard fold? having the 9 in my hand really leaned me towards call.

[Ranma4703]

call. you have the best hand most of the time. And by call I mean push

[joewatch]

I know this sounds super-tight, but without any redraw and without any reads, I'm folding to SB's pot bet instead of raising to avoid the very headache you are running into. In an unraised pot, I don't think I'm giving up much EV. You are a dog to 99 and 762x, even money vs. 876x, and only beating 44xx and 2-pair hands.

[RoundTower]

stick it in.

[wazz]

Why not, you already have a double full-house.

[RollinHand]

"having the 9 in my hand really leaned me towards call. "
But u also have the 4. :/

On the other hand, it's a rainbow board so wraps might be more likely to play it hard.

Also, is it 3 handed?

[glass_onion]

have table reads next time. Against me you are behind to 99 75% of the time, and I have a huge wrap the other 25%. You've priced yourself in; I think the better line would have been to NOT reraise flop with middle set, very few outs to improve (since you have them), and never knowing if you are up against 99

[glass_onion]

really? With middle set and 5 cards to improve to a full house, which he might already be behind to 99, and someone already has some of those FH outs if 3 are pushing?

So really more like 3 outs, might be drawing to 1, and certainltly someone has a big wrap.

Is your advice the same if it is 2 suited??? When is it ok to fold mid set, if not here?

Just wondering.

[RoundTower]

You have all the pair cards, so they probably both have wraps and are killing each other's hands. When you say you are 75% to have 99 here, are you thinking "I make this play 3 times as often with 99 as with a big wrap"? Because the 9 in hero's hand makes it 1/3 as likely you have 99.

[glass_onion]

ok, but if I'm RAISING in this pot i eitehr have the 13 outer or a set, and it isn't bottom set. I can see playing my 13 outer like SB, maybe, but not MPI. And no matter how little respect you have for your opponents, no one actually sees a pot, raise, and goes all in with bottom set.

ok, so the 9 in his hand makes it less likely I'd have top set. The fact that there is no flush draw out means I'm less more likely to be betting a set, becuase I have other hands Ican raise with.

SB potted, got raised, reraised, then PUSHED.
MPI saw a pot, raise, and then RERAISED.

Seriously, you think they BOTH have the 13 outer???