3-betting, lets find a solution

[Dr_Chris]

Interesting subject.

I really don’t get why it is more difficult to calculate 3-betting frequency than cold-calling or limp-calling. They all include how the player reacts to bets by the co-players.

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My belive is that the Pre-flop aggresion factor is usefully but I don’t know if tight oppenents easier gets a higher stats there. I also think there is some kind of relation ship between Pfr %, Cold call %, Raise first in and pre-flop agrresion factor that could be combined in a formula.

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The preflop aggression factor is simply pfr/vip so it doesn’t provide any additional information.
If I have understood the definition of cold-calling correctly it is a very dangerous move in NL so this statistic is almost always close to zero.



Perhaps one could construct a new measure of preflop aggression to include attempts to steal blind and raise first in.


Chris

[teddyFBI]

I have several times asked PT PAT to create a RE-STEAL statistic...e.g. CO or Button raises, and one of the blinds RE-pops it -- but he never replies to me...I can't even begin to tell you how useful that stat would be...

[MSPChris]

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We all know that PT can’t work out the 3-betting %/Frequency for us so thats something we gonna have to do manually (Assume that it would be a software out now if it was possible).

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Do we know that? I know there's not a PT stat that says 3-bet, but I think the data is there in Postgres and can be found with a bit-o'-the-ol' in-out in-out.

My job sucks and it's slow today....

[ttttt]

The output looks like something like this - I've changed the names to protect the guilty!

[Lattakikk]

Looks good, but the best would be to have the 3bet/"chance to 3bet". Not 3bet/"total hands".

Or maybe that's what it is?

Mr Snood (the guy who developed SpadeEye) is in the prosess of making a new program (he posted a beta a few weeks ago). He said he would try to include PF 3bet.

[ttttt]

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how about a program that exports all of these 3bet%'s from the spreadsheet and adds them to each player's notes file on pokerstars. So while you are playing you can click on their notes thing and see what their % is, instead of having to go into excel all the time and scrolling down a list of 40,000 players.

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Not sure about Stars, but assuming one column for name and one for %, then it's incredibly easy to export to the Party Notes.txt file as it is just in the form "Name~Notes>", eg:

Tom21~3%>
Bill~34%>
Eddy49~7%>

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Would this append or delete exisiting notes?

[rvg72]

I've spent the last 6 months working on a project... it is close to being ready for beta so I don't mind sharing a little bit.

Regarding 3-betting specifically, you can see 3 betting %'s by position of bettor and player 3 betting, 4 betting numbers, 3 betting vs just a raiser or vs raiser and caller(s), all known 4 bet hands, all known call 4bet hands (for unknown hands it will still show "Folded Flop" or "Won on Turn" etc), folding to 3 bet, folding to 4 bet etc. This is all available in the HUD.

This is not a "3-bet" product - I'm just sharing the data that is specific to 3 betting here.

I'm the guy that wrote Tourney Manager and the beta for that was essentially done in a month - just to give you guys an idea of scope and to hopefully add some confidence that this isn't one of a hundred programs that have been mentioned here that never get off the ground.

rvg

[ttttt]

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Looks good, but the best would be to have the 3bet/"chance to 3bet". Not 3bet/"total hands".

Or maybe that's what it is?

Mr Snood (the guy who developed SpadeEye) is in the prosess of making a new program (he posted a beta a few weeks ago). He said he would try to include PF 3bet.

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Yeah, funny you should mention that as I was just working on it. It now displays - Player, Total hands, total 3-bet opportunities (ie there has been a raise), total no. of 3-bets, %age of 3-bets/3-bet opportunities.

[curious123]

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] rvg

[albin]

tttt: Thats exactly what I’m after it looks very intresting but send all the HHs to you everytime seams to be a hazzel for both you and me. Is there any chance you could sell it? I guess you worried that you only sell one licence and then find your application on the net after. But Just name a high enough price and maybe restrict the number of licens.

rvg72: I’m more than happy to help you beta test your software you can PM if you don’t want to answere in this thread.