Jackpot coming to Venetian

[ChadK]

I have mixed feelings about jackpots. I have heard new to average players say they play a given room because of the jackpot. If it brings in fish I don't care about the extra drop. I also like rooms that use the drop for HH jackpots not just unbeatable BB jackpots.

Also will the V jackpot be seeded with $$ from the casino or just from the drop?

[SpleenLSD]

To be honest, I don't think jackpots really change a room much, especially at mid-limits and above. I think seating, lighting, dealer (and floor and brush) competence, food quality, etc. are the big things. All a jackpots might do is get the room to rake a few more low limit tables.

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All a jackpots might do is get the room to rake a few more low limit tables.

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Whats wrong with that? at this point embracing lower limit games is one of the V's best options. Its not the only option however, but they need to stop trying to market themselves as things for all players - because they fail miserably when doing that.

[AngusThermopyle]

According to CardPlayer the V is holding a tournament that might signal they are aiming lower on the 'food chain':

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The Deep Stack Extravaganza II will take place from June 1 to July 1.

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The buy-ins for the events at the Deep Stack Extravaganza II cost $330, $540, and $1,060, making this series the most affordable out of the three. It also promises players plenty of play because the starting chips for all the events are doubled.

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Don't know about the structure (WSOP doubled the stacks too, but changes in the blind structure wiped out some of the change).

[growlers]

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I have mixed feelings about jackpots. I have heard new to average players say they play a given room because of the jackpot. If it brings in fish I don't care about the extra drop. I also like rooms that use the drop for HH jackpots not just unbeatable BB jackpots.



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I agree with this completely. I play at Red Rock alot and for every old tight nit the jackpot brings in, there are 3 people coldcalling my raises (limit) with any pair or suited connector to get the seemingly impossible to hit BBJP. I have mixed feelings as well - hate the drop - but don't mind the extra action.
If there has to be a jackpot, I like the way the alladin used to do it (haven't played there in a year so not sure if it is the same) with the high hands that were reasonably easy to hit. Seemed to bring in fishy types, just like the wheel at Excalibur and actually makes it a little fun since you can actually get them.
I'm not in favor of jackpots per se, but am not convinced that they "attract" the wrong people.

[pig4bill]

I don't like jackpot drops. One of the biggest reasons I like playing Vegas is their rake is lower than California. If I wanted to pay the higher rake I would just stay here.

[VegasTommy]

First thing:

Venetian doesnt spread 2 - 4 limit anymore.. only 4 - 8 and above.

second thing: The DeepStack 2 that is going to start in June is not lowering their standards. Deepstack 1 averaged 250 players a day, and even had over 400 on a Saturday.

It seems like many things that people were complaining about, it is because they dont know why things have changed. Like the 25 - 50 players wanting to be in the back. People complain and judge without knowing all the reasons why. At least, the Venetian is trying. I am sure that Kathy will listen to more games being on the rail and possibly make it happen. The Venetian has shown that it will try new things, which is more than I can say about other hotels.

[Photoc]

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First thing:

Venetian doesnt spread 2 - 4 limit anymore.. only 4 - 8 and above.


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Was there 3 days ago, 2/4 was going, 4/8 had a interest list.

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The Venetian has shown that it will try new things, which is more than I can say about other hotels.

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The other hotels which contain "world class rooms" don't need to be as willing to try new things, they have all have a solid and steady business (Mirage's business is not solid anymore, but thats ok considering it's history). Lets keep things in perspective.

Also if thats true that the V doesn't spread 2/4, then they are making a HUGE mistake - its a convention hotel, they need to appeal to their customer base. Removing that limit is ridiculous, it could help maintain the appearance of busy tables.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

The problem with 2-4 is that it attracts the stupidest, dumbest brokest a$$ mo-fo's to the room, plus it tends to kill the action at games like 3-6 and especially 4-8. You don't know how many out of ten would rather wait on a list 15 or 20 deep for 2-4 than play 3-6. So often when 2-4 is running it will have a huge list and any 3-6 or 4-8 game will be struggling to stay full. Now you might think a huge list is good, but you'll have a huge list for a single table when all your other games are 1-2 no limit. Venetian has plenty of tables, but why spread 2-4 when it would be far better to make it 3-6...

On the other hand, if u just spread 3-6 as your lowest game, you'll be just as busy, but the games will have more action and the house will make considerably more in drop. If anyone is so taken aback by the huge sums of money needed to play 3-6 then you've just done the room a favor if they refuse to play. I've dealt and played tons of low limit hold'em and without a doubt 2-4 is the action killer game and the room stagnator game. But in one room they simply stopped making interest lists for 2-4 in favor of 3-6. Their room is just as busy but their drop increased significantly.

May the poker gods have mercy if they add a large BBJP and keep the 2-4, guess I'll just have to play at mirage where at least they do something right.

3-6,6-12,9-18 was perfect, except 6-12 needs $2 chips not $3 chips. Structure counts for a lot and 2 chip 4 chip just sucks major a$$.

Al