5 NL IM SO LOST ON THIS RIVER WTFFFFFF

yeotaJMU · #1 10-25-2007, 12:16 AM

if u read my last post this is same villian... wtf do i do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($2.30)
Hero ($9.07)
SB ($4.98)
BB ($3.01)
UTG ($6.81)
MP ($6.74)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.02, MP raises to $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, SB calls $0.03, BB calls $0.02, UTG calls $0.02.

Flop: ($0.24) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.22, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP raises to $0.62, CO folds, Hero calls $0.40.

Turn: ($1.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $6.08 (All-In), Hero ??????

also [censored] ppl who shove wtf is that play cards

yeotaJMU · #2 10-25-2007, 12:37 AM

bump for much needed help i am mad lost here

creamfillin · #3 10-25-2007, 12:43 AM

I fold this unless he does this ALOT

yeotaJMU · #4 10-25-2007, 12:44 AM

this is the 4th time ive seen him shove... last time he did i had KK on a Q J 9 4 K board.

what hands are you putting him on... AJ?

creamfillin · #5 10-25-2007, 12:46 AM

You're odds here really really suck and judging the flop action he can easily have a Jx here. I think PF I would 3-bet this.

yeotaJMU · #6 10-25-2007, 12:51 AM

you think he would min-bet three bet with jack x? should i have played back on flop?

i can see merit in 3 bet preflop... i usually just hate three betting AQ off

mecbluefugate · #7 10-25-2007, 12:52 AM

I think a jack is really, really likely

yeotaJMU · #8 10-25-2007, 12:57 AM

can you provide explanation for what makes you think he has a jack? i just am having a hard time putting him on a jack and 3 betting flop...

creamfillin · #9 10-25-2007, 01:02 AM

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you think he would min-bet three bet with jack x? should i have played back on flop?

i can see merit in 3 bet preflop... i usually just hate three betting AQ off

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I didn't see his flop 3-bet. Now I'm thinking maybe AJ/77.. his line is so strange. It sort of screams monster but against this nut he may even show up with Ax here.. Again I lean fold because of the terrible river odds.

Against a minraise I'm generally 3-betting AQ, esp. since we have the button. AQ doesn't play well multiway and we want to isolate the fishies in position. Mmmm.. I can smell the EV.

Lostit · #10 10-25-2007, 01:04 AM

I think you need to fold here as played.

A few other observations though...

1.) Preflop, with a caller and 2-minraisers in front, you need to raise that up there. AQos is a nice hand, but not in 4 to 6 way pots. I would raise 4BB + 1 for every limper there. I would be betting .16 to .24 cents there. I would be fine with just taking down the dead money preflop with no action.

B.) Didn't see his 3-bet on that flop either. Thats a fold right there for you. AK and AJ beat you, so you think he has what? A10? doubt it. Most of his range at this point beats you.

C.) Lastly, you said this is the fourth time you've seen him shove. I don't know what his stats are, but I would be more patient that to try and catch him in another spot.

If you get used to betting out and taking the lead more, you would gain more clarity into when he's on his heels versus when he's attacking. Keep him on his heels long enough and his frustration will probably represent itself in an increase in the number of shoves you see from him. At that point, you simply have more opportunities to catch a hand and pick him off.

Lastly keep in mind that when you see someone shoving a lot, you don't necessarily need the nuts to call him. TPTK, overpairs, 2-pair, etc become very effective here if you're paying attention.