25/50 hand vs ozzy

[8outpoker]

PokerStars Game #6638325866: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/11/15 - 00:45:09 (ET)
Table 'Ianthe III' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Sir_winalot9 ($1722 in chips)
Seat 2: mr_natoli ($4725 in chips)
Seat 3: schnizeltoe ($5976 in chips)
Seat 4: Ozzy 87 ($5866 in chips)
Seat 5: 8outpoker ($5115.70 in chips)
Seat 6: redargoe ($2122 in chips)
Seat 7: WhinnePie ($6294 in chips)
Seat 8: Vaga_Lion ($7743 in chips)
Seat 9: chrille_swe ($4597 in chips)
8outpoker: posts small blind $25
redargoe: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 8outpoker [Kd Qs]
WhinnePie: calls $50
Vaga_Lion: folds
chrille_swe: folds
Sir_winalot9: folds
mr_natoli: calls $50
schnizeltoe: folds
Ozzy 87: raises $250 to $300
8outpoker: calls $275
redargoe: folds
WhinnePie: folds
mr_natoli: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh 8h 2s]
8outpoker: checks
Ozzy 87: bets $500
8outpoker: raises $700 to $1200
Ozzy 87: calls $700
*** TURN *** [Kh 8h 2s] [Qc]
8outpoker: checks
Ozzy 87: Bets $3000

what is your line here and what range do you put him on

[aba20]

fold preflop as played shove turn. Also flop raise is very very bad.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

Some comments:
1) Fold preflop if this is a tough spot for you. OOP and you hit the hand about as well as you could hope to and you're not sure what you think.
2) How is the flop action raising a 500 bet 700 to 1250? Shouldn't it be 1200?
3) The flop check-raise is pretty bad if Ozzy's as good as people seem to say he is (and is bad in general)
4) You probably should have led the turn and not let Ozzy get free cards in case he's on a draw. Also, this way you don't let him play pot control if he has AA or AK.
5) Given that you checked and he bet, it's an easy check-raise all in.
6) Sorry he had KK. Better luck next time.

[trplthrt]

Agree agree

As played you gotta shove it IMO

[8outpoker]

aba onviously i respect your opinion but why do you hate the flop raise i wanted to get an idea of where i stood and then re-evaluate the turn

[aba20]

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aba onviously i respect your opinion but why do you hate the flop raise i wanted to get an idea of where i stood and then re-evaluate the turn

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Raising for information against good players out of position on drawy boards is a very very bad idea.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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aba onviously i respect your opinion but why do you hate the flop raise i wanted to get an idea of where i stood and then re-evaluate the turn

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You're probably a good player, but this reasoning is the fuddled type of reasoning you often see in NL50 hands and wouldn't expect to see in NL5K posts. What info did you even get when he called your raise? You hit top two pair on the turn and still didn't know where you were...

[8outpoker]

i def see your point i just put him on an underpair and wanted to show strength representing something like a-k

[PartyGirlUK]

God pf is bad, but flop makes me want to vomit.

[8outpoker]

ozzy was playing super aggressive which is why i called preflop, he had pushed me off alot of hands.......I had my mind made up on the turn i just wanted to see if my thought process was correct and see what you guys put him on