$20 MTT - QQ early position vs two allin re-raises?

[paratacus]

CD Poker: Tournament $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level (50/100)

Seat 1: malux(D)
Seat 2: stealth90(SB)
Seat 3: patrik0505(BB)
Seat 4: Hero
Seat 5: Mark123456789
Seat 6: canetwo
Seat 7: LordJuan
Seat 8: OndeHund
Seat 9: bryanh93

stealth90: posts small blind 50
patrik0505: posts big blind 100

Holecards:

Dealt to Paratacus[Qc,Qh]

RAISE Hero 150 to 450
FOLD Mark123456789
FOLD canetwo
FOLD LordJuan
FOLD OndeHund
RAISE bryanh93 450 to 1095 and is all-in
FOLD malux
FOLD stealth90
RAISE patrik0505 1095 to 2955 and is all-in


Hi, this is my first post so I've done my best to convert the hand to make it readable as I don't know how to convert my CD Poker hand history so the numbers might not add up exactly.

Anyway:

I'm Hero and I'm next to act what would you do in this situation? I have no reads on any of the players. After some feedback I'll post what decision I made and why and post their hands.

Thanks.

[Soulman]

Don't know your stack size, but in general these problems can be solved by assigning a range and running it in PokerStove (obvious URL/Google it). Gives you the following with a readless range:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 48.3583 % 46.83% 01.53% { QQ }
Hand 2: 51.6417 % 50.12% 01.53% { JJ+, AQs+, AKo }

I.e. plenty of equity for you to call.

And welcome to the forum [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[paratacus]

Thanks for the link to PokerStove I'm learning something already, by the way I have 2905 in my stack. Do you still think this is a call? I'd appreciate more advice. Thanks soulman for the advice so far.

[Cornell Fiji]

Welcome to the forum.

In my book this is a call without much hesitation. Both of these players are forced to push if they want to play the hand and their range includes a lot of hands that you are far ahead of and a few that you are flipping with and very few that you are behind.

If you win this hand you are in great shape with 7,000 chips.

In the future try to add stack sizes, relevant reads, how many people are left, how many spots pay, and the average stack when you post. The more information that there is the better the discussion will be on your hand.

[paratacus]

Thanks in the future I'll remember to get all the details. For those that are curious I call shortstack shows AA and big blind shows KK. I was second guessing my call for a while but I guess I made the right move but pokers a cruel game.

[Beachman42]

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Thanks in the future I'll remember to get all the details. For those that are curious I call shortstack shows AA and big blind shows KK. I was second guessing my call for a while but I guess I made the right move but pokers a cruel game.

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You were destined to go broke here. Do you see why? As others have posted, its a really good idea to assign a hand range to your opponents and run the math. BTW, by only adding AK & JJ to their range, you have the correct odds to make this call. GL & welcome to the forum.

[4CardStraight]

Just imagine how smart you look when they both turn over TT and JJ, or AK and AK.

The tricky part here is assigning the range. If you know they will only shove over the top of you with QQ+ you probably do not have odds to call. If their ranges are 99+ then all of a sudden this play is +ev

My general rule on pocket queens, and this is supported by the pokerstove math, is that pocket queens shouldnt be folded in many tournament situations. Pocket queens are good enough to try to get all your money in, almost regardless of the situation.

Now if you are 80bb deep, and so is your opponent, and they 4 bet reraise you, you might consider folding your queens.

In push or fold territory, you want to be the guy with A: the queens, and B: all his money in the pot.

[Sam T.]

The shorty's push only says, "I'm getting desperate, and have pocket pairs or a decent ace." (One thing you'll learn is that bad players will immediately put you on a hand with which they are a flip. If they have 22, they assume you are on AK. If they have AQ, they put you on TT.)

The next push is a problem, but if he's putting shorty on a similar range, there is no way you can put him on so narrow a range as AA-KK. He's right to be re-raising more hands than this.

So, yeah, good call.

[mornelth]

I saw the results, but it's a call anyway. In a $20 tourney you will also sometimes be up against 88 and 66...

Welcome to the forum.