Checks After PFR

awarunn · #1 07-10-2006, 01:52 PM

Villain is 71/33/1.8

I've been giving "Concept No. 17" in TAP a run for it's money.
"If your preflop raise is called behind you, check a lot of flops."

I would like to hear what you think about the spot I picked to do it and how/if you've been applying this concept.

There is no particular info that is relevant besides the fact that I've been CB'ing my usual majority of the time.

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($88.10)
Button ($21.10)
SB ($40.50)
BB ($43.35)
UTG ($11.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($4.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($10.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5.

Final Pot: $20.25

Ben Young · #2 07-10-2006, 01:57 PM

The post says $1 BB but further down it says BB calls $1.50 more from a raise to $2. What are the stakes?

I'm not sure I like this raise PF, but whatever.

cbloom · #3 07-10-2006, 01:57 PM

I don't like that flop check on that flop vs. that villain. Better to charge the flush draw and perhaps get called by a K.

That concept really applies to multiway flops and drawless flops.

awarunn · #4 07-10-2006, 02:05 PM

.25/.50

Not too concerned with the preflop action. What do you think about the flop check?

jjigglers · #5 07-10-2006, 02:12 PM

Sklansky means if it's called by somebody with position on you, then check a lot of flops.

awarunn · #6 07-10-2006, 02:17 PM

Against the K i'm not too concerned where I get the bet in...flop or turn. It's not like if I bet and get called on the flop I'm going to continue building the pot on the turn with my 7 kicker. I will most likely check behind to keep the pot small.
I think the only significant virtue of betting this flop is charging the flush draw...which could be reason enough to pass on the flop-check this time around.

awarunn · #7 07-10-2006, 02:22 PM

Well...I thought about this but when you raise preflop your positional advantage isn't as informative on the flop as it is on further streets. It is a pretty standard move to check raise a preflop raiser that CB's regularly. So I think this concept applies to both being in position and OOP since you don't gain much info when villain checks to pf raiser.
What do you think?

ajmargarine · #8 07-10-2006, 02:28 PM

Well, I like that you are considering checking behind on this flop. It's not a horrible play at all against a normal player. 2-flush though should lean you towards a bet. And against this villian, you have to be betting.

awarunn · #9 07-10-2006, 02:46 PM

What makes this villain a 'must-bet' situation? I understand that since he is playing a very wide range of hands I could get value from a weak ace but....I'm the one with the weak ace. So shouldn't I be trying to control the pot? If I bet and get called on the flop...what's my plan when I get checked to on the turn?

los_toros · #10 07-10-2006, 02:48 PM

you're often betting for value against villians of this nature. so take every shot.