NL200 - NFD+pair in multiway pot Easy raise/call push or spew?

Kinbor · #1 08-20-2007, 02:30 PM

UTG is a tight/solid player, MP is a donkish/lag. my logic here was this: facing so much action here it's hard to continue w/ KQs and AKs, so i do believe i have some fold equity against UTG and MP (+ i am out of position, and don't intend to check/call such a large bet, because it's burning away money if i don't hit on the turn). i did want MP to come along, because I strongly felt he is either in dire straits being crushed by a better draw and if he has a made hand, i have more outs against him (he is so loose i am counting aces as outs aswell).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($227.80)
BB ($625.50)
UTG ($200)
MP ($174.35)
CO ($231)
Button ($31.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $7, MP calls $7, 1 fold, Button calls $7, Hero calls $6, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($35) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $25, MP calls $25, Button folds, Hero raises to $100, BB folds, UTG folds, MP raises to $167.35, Hero calls $67.35.

Turn: ($394.70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($394.70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $394.70

Kinbor · #2 08-20-2007, 02:32 PM

the other side of the coin is UTG leading into 5 people.

Jay Riall · #3 08-20-2007, 02:32 PM

I like.

jballer88 · #4 08-20-2007, 02:34 PM

I think you can profitably call this flop...your hand looks like exactly what it is when you raise there and when you get it in you basically have a naked flush draw bc your usually against AK or a set so its not a great spot...also bet 3bet isnt a bad line to take here

Jay Riall · #5 08-20-2007, 02:39 PM

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your hand looks like exactly what it is when you raise there

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Kinbor · #6 08-20-2007, 02:39 PM

you made a good argument against it but since I hold one of the threes, and there is a great chance nobody is slowplaying kings (they usually at least minreraise pf), the most probable set is 22 with very little chance of 33 or KK (UTG can have that, others don't have it). so i'm usually against AK/KQ/KK/AA against UTG (he folds KQ 100%, KK/AA 0%, and AK 50%), and i'm crushing MPs calling range here.

but i agree, i have to learn to start betting out.

ArtieFish · #7 08-20-2007, 02:39 PM

I would rather you just jam, but I guess you wanted MP to call right? Anyway, depending on your table image you do have a good amount of FE, and this would probably be the only way you're going to easily stake UTG with if he's rightly TAG

Jay Riall · #8 08-20-2007, 02:52 PM

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but i agree, i have to learn to start betting out.

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no, check-raising is way better imo to increase FE.

pepper123 · #9 08-20-2007, 03:27 PM

just push, it's not that much more than pot and it increases FE if you're calling a push anyway

casaubon · #10 08-20-2007, 03:37 PM

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but i agree, i have to learn to start betting out.

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no, check-raising is way better imo to increase FE.

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Not to mention trapping dead money in the middle.