200NL- TPNK + NFD vs donk

[Imrahil]

Villain is like 40/0/1.2 over 30 hands.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $285.50
BTN: $218.95
SB: $60.40
BB: $413
UTG: $236.85
Hero (MP): $256.60

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO calls $8, 3 folds

Flop: ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $13</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $54</font>, Hero ?

[Korean_Airline]

Shove

[sh58]

shoving is ok, but i'd rather call his flop bet, see if i can show down cheap if i don't improve

[Unknown Soldier]

let him hang himself.

[myke11]

lol let him hang himself!? theres a good chance he's ahead... personally im all in.

[rakes.a.beach]

shove

making him lay down TP is the most +EV thing for us.

[Jamsym]

I shove all day in this spot.

[Imrahil]

I decided to call but I dunno why. Guess I wanted to let villain bluff off his chips if he was bluffing or not get it in vs his better hand like a set or something.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $285.50
BTN: $218.95
SB: $60.40
BB: $413
UTG: $236.85
Hero (MP): $256.60

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO calls $8, 3 folds

Flop: ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $13</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $54</font>, Hero calls $41

Turn: ($127) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $223.50 and is All-In</font>, Hero

He shoved quickly fwiw.

[blah-blah-blah]

i think you have to shove the flop just because the turn will be so hard to play oop. if i had position i would call all day.

[Paul Thomson]

i really disagree with shoving the flop because assuming the Villain is a donk and won't fold A4o to a shove, what does shoving the flop gain us when we don't have any FE?

Also you could argue that the Villain won't pay us off when we hit, but I think that's also mute because once again the Villain is a donk and the pot is large.

Therefore, I like a call on the flop and check fold the turn if it blanks and we don't have odds to call.

What do u guys think of this argument?