Roulette Wheel Bias and Craps

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In "The Man with $100,000 Breasts and Other Gambling Stories", the author mentions wheel bias in roulette and methods of throwing the dice in craps in the chapter on taking advantage. Are there any books on these 2 subjects that are worth reading?

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Get the Edge at Craps by Sharpshooter.
PM me for more info

[Jimbo]

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Get the Edge at Craps by Sharpshooter.
PM me for more info

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Or you could just flush your money down the toilet and watch it swirl away. It might offer more enjoyment in the long run. Keep in mind I love shooting craps but any dice setting/controlled throwing system is baloney.

Jimbo

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Get the Edge at Craps by Sharpshooter.
PM me for more info

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Or you could just flush your money down the toilet and watch it swirl away. It might offer more enjoyment in the long run. Keep in mind I love shooting craps but any dice setting/controlled throwing system is baloney.

Jimbo

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I don't understand why people are so reluctant to accept this is possible. While I'm sure the majority of people claiming to have a dice control system are full of crap, I'd be surprised if there wasn't anyone talented enough to be able to control them just enough to gain an edge.

[Terry]

First, let me list my qualifications for stating this opinion.

I started running a lunch money Craps game in the boys room in 9th grade after reading "Scarne on Dice", ran games in the college dorm and payday games in the barracks while in the army, then spent 14 years as a dealer, boxman, floorman and pit boss in the dice pits in Vegas.

Even if a person could overcome the fact that each table has a different bounciness and slipperiness and that each pair of dice have different degrees of sharpness on the edges and corners that change significantly as the shift progresses, you are still left with the fact that the casino simply will not permit a player to continue using the short roll required by this technique.

They'll tell you a couple of times to "Bounce them off the back wall." If you don't, they just plain aren't going to let you shoot.

My opinion is the same as Jimbo. Just flush it.

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First, let me list my qualifications for stating this opinion.

I started running a lunch money Craps game in the boys room in 9th grade after reading "Scarne on Dice", ran games in the college dorm and payday games in the barracks while in the army, then spent 14 years as a dealer, boxman, floorman and pit boss in the dice pits in Vegas.

Even if a person could overcome the fact that each table has a different bounciness and slipperiness and that each pair of dice have different degrees of sharpness on the edges and corners that change significantly as the shift progresses, you are still left with the fact that the casino simply will not permit a player to continue using the short roll required by this technique.

They'll tell you a couple of times to "Bounce them off the back wall." If you don't, they just plain aren't going to let you shoot.

My opinion is the same as Jimbo. Just flush it.

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When controlling the dice, you do hit them off the back wall. You make contact with the very bottom of the wall, which is about 1 inch of flatness.
I'm so damn tired of people's blind ignorance on this subject. Just because it doesn't "seem" like something people could pull off. At least read a freakin book on the subject before making up your mind, people. You remind me of my idiot friends who I had to watch the Oscars with. They were making comments on who they felt should win and they hadn't seen one damn movie. Not one!

Once again, I am going to treat this like before so that this thread doesn't spiral out of control like it always does. I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and reply the way I did to the OP. I'll only say something when someone replies with incorrect information, such as "the casino simply will not permit a player to continue using the short roll required by this technique."

[Terry]

Yeah, I guess you're right. Just because I spent over 30 years operating craps games and have never once, in any game, in any joint, seen a player be permitted to repeatedly shoot into the edge or corner of the table, or shoot in any other way that inhibits the rolling action of the dice just doesn't stack up against your knowledge. I mean, after all, you've read a book about it.

Pass the dice. New shooter coming out.

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Yeah, I guess you're right. Just because I spent over 30 years operating craps games and have never once, in any game, in any joint, seen a player be permitted to repeatedly shoot into the edge or corner of the table, or shoot in any other way that inhibits the rolling action of the dice just doesn't stack up against your knowledge. I mean, after all, you've read a book about it.

Pass the dice. New shooter coming out.

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Once again, you show your ignorance. The craps dealers wouldn't be able to recognize a good controlled throw if they saw it, because to an observer it doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary. Looks like a normal throw. And I should know because I've been doing it for a long time, and never once, in any game, in any joint, have I not been permitted to repeatedly shoot into the edge of the table.

Also, for the record, I have much more extensive knowledge on dice control than just having read some book. My suggestion to you guys was to at least read a book before forming an opinion, and you took that to mean I was displaying the extense of my knowledge on this subject. Terrible logic

[Jimbo]

DD, you Sir have no clue.

Jimbo

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DD, you Sir have no clue.

Jimbo

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You make an excellent point. Thank you for enlightening me with such an airtight argument. Seriously, don't you realize that you lose validity when you just state an opinion with nothing surrounding it?