preflop spot

[Teh1337zor]

for those of you advocating shoving jj, what hands that we beat do you expect to call? lolol I posted that on my phone at a stoplight so cool

[LucidDream]

please someone make a good argument for shoving JJ and not shoving 22. would honestly really like to hear it.

[AcTiOnJaCsOn]

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JJ is ahead of everyones range, imo

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After a solid TAGs $140 overcall of a 3bet from the BB I think not. If it is ahead, it is very marginally so.

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[Josh.]

recallme?

[MatthewRyan]

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Yeah, so those saying shove JJ should definitely be shoving 22 100% unless they think calling is superior to shoving.

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22 lol no

JJ > TT/99 which I have seen MANY times make hero calls vs 4 bet shoves

[obiedman]

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Yeah, so those saying shove JJ should definitely be shoving 22 100% unless they think calling is superior to shoving.

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22 lol no

JJ > TT/99 which I have seen MANY times make hero calls vs 4 bet shoves

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omg this is so terrible wtf.

i'm with 1337zor, i think i'd much rather 4bet 76s than AQ.
i'm flatting all pairs JJ-

[ddubois]

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please someone make a good argument for shoving JJ and not shoving 22. would honestly really like to hear it.

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TT/JJ have 2% more equity versus QQ+/AK than 22, due to counterfeiting and straight-blocking. Plus, you never know when some psycho will call you with 99/TT/worse. I know what you're trying to say, that you're a 2:1 dog versus his calling range, and that fold equity is your only hope, but still, JJ > 22.

[JooWish622]

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please someone make a good argument for shoving JJ and not shoving 22. would honestly really like to hear it.

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dont get smart.

[catcher193]

shove TT+ AQs AKo, call with the pairs, fold the other stuff, suited connectors IDK maybe call with them