Flop Donk

[James.]

mostly unknown MP opens(seems like the standard semitight, semipassive small staker), i call in the bb with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Flop(5.5sb): K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

i bet...

[James.]

my real question is:

do we see a fold often enough for this to be a profitable bet?

[Allday Everyday]

I'm very interested in this.

I think this is very close to a PF fold against what looks like a legitimate non-steal open-raise and no other callers. But of course, if the call is wrong, it couldn't be too far wrong.

I sometimes donk flops like these with hands like these HU. Successfully take them down too a decent amount of time. But when I usually do them it is against a later position open-raiser where they are less likely to have a hand to call or raise me with.

Without knowing more about the opponent, I don't think this semi-bluff would get a fold often enough to make the bet profitable.

[goofball]

Sure, but you'll have to follow through on the turn.

[goofball]

Personally I'd just checkraise. If you donk here though you'd better be donking pairs too.

[FatedEquity]

I'd probably fold preflop, but if I was going to call, I like a c/r rather than a donk.

[James.]

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Personally I'd just checkraise. If you donk here though you'd better be donking pairs too.

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i've REALLY started donking into a PFR a wide range of hands on flops like these. pairs, sets, flushdraws.

the flop c/r, IMO is so used/overused i'm replacing it as a default strategy. i'm becoming more of a donker. c/r is still in my mix, but i've started donking more on the flop in HU and shorthanded situations and c/r less.

another benefit, is since i do give up on the turn some decent portion of the time(goofball stated i needed to be ready to fire the turn as well, which i must do some of the time) it sets up a turn c/r very nicely when i am donking a good made hand or get there on the turn.

[Frond]

Yesterday I was playing some low limit 6 max online and started making these plays here and there with some similiar hands and I was surprised at how often I would get a fold but it was online low limit, player dependant as well as board dependant. I think it is good to do here & there in your game since you are in a blind here and you could be repping several different hands. You might also get a freebie on the turn for your draw.

[HoneyBadger]

I dont know. I counter donk bets by almost always just calling them. I often call with nothing here. But then if I have a king I would also just call. Now if you check the turn, I almost always bet, and you don't know whether I have a king or I have air. So you must follow through on the turn, where you will probably get raised if I do have a king, or on a non threatening board I call again. Then the same goes for the river, which you'll either have to fire a 3rd bullet in, or check and possibly call if you have some pair... My defense against donk bets is to simply not give any info.

[chimpanzepoopdic]

Villian likely has a legit hand since he opened from MP. I think the profitablilty of this play depends greatly on your current image at the table.