The start of a hand?

[RJT]

I had been under the impression that once the dealer starts to shuffle, the hand has started. In another post, a poster said I was in error.

1) Is he right?
2) If that is the case, then if a player asks for a deck change during a shuffle, there is no reason for the dealer not to do so immediately. Bummer.

I am asking about cash games not tourney rules.

[bav]

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I had been under the impression that once the dealer starts to shuffle, the hand has started. In another post, a poster said I was in error.

1) Is he right?
2) If that is the case, then if a player asks for a deck change during a shuffle, there is no reason for the dealer not to do so immediately. Bummer.

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Hopefully no dealer on the planet will accede to a request to change the deck and hold up the game once they've started shuffling. That's just common sense. Hopefully the dealer will not hold up the game while waiting for a new deck to arrive after a player asks for a deck change at any time. You say you want a new setup, fine, if the house allows it the dealer can call for it and by golly they should keep right on mixing and shuffling and dealing--don't hold the game up waiting for a setup. I don't think you need a definition of when a hand begins to deal with this, it's just setting policies on when setups can be requested and how the dealers do it.

[ntnBO]

Has anybody ever seen even a halfway decent player ask for a setup? Assuming no physical issues with the cards of course. I have not.

Some time back I told a friend that if he ever sees me ask for a setup to put me out of my misery on the spot and take my roll.

BO

[RJT]

Home games happens alot. And yes, usually the less than halfway decent players ask.

[Torello]

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Has anybody ever seen even a halfway decent player ask for a setup? Assuming no physical issues with the cards of course. I have not.

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I have... there's an asian guy who plays frequently in the games I play, he's a good player, slightly loose and aggressive and smart. He asks for scramble frequently, and deck change sometimes.

[youtalkfunny]

If the question is, "Should the dealer ever stop mid-shuffle?", I would say, "He'd better have a damn good reason."

Neither getting a set-up, nor selling chips, nor being tapped on the shoulder by the relief dealer, qualify as "a good reason".

[fartman77]

although rare, i think even some of the decent or good laggy players can be superstitious.

i believe the hand does start when the shuffling begins, so no deck change imo. But that doesn't mean you can't buy in or opt out of a hand before the cards fly.

[RJT]

I was thinking mostly for home games. I thought I had read this somehwere - wonder why I was under this impression?

[AngusThermopyle]

Just what do you mean by "the hand has started"?

Can you buy chips after "the hand has started"? If you ask that question, most people would not consider the beginning of the shuffle to be when the "hand has started".

[RJT]

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Just what do you mean by "the hand has started"?

Can you buy chips after "the hand has started"? If you ask that question, most people would not consider the beginning of the shuffle to be when the "hand has started".

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I dunno. I just thought I read it somehwere. Mostly. I have been invoking it in our homes games for my example.