Bubble 6.50$ JJ shove or raise ?

[Master999]

Should I shove or raise to protect against Big stack that could shove over the top, is my hand strong enough to take that risk ?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t2350)
UTG (t2560)
Hero (t3765)
SB (t4825)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: t1700

[sence25]

Sure, push this. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[darinvg]

Just shove this one too. A good rule for reshoving or shoving over limpers is to take the pot divided by 1.5 to give you the amount of BBs you can push. So here you have 700 in the pot/1.5 = 466 so you can push up to ~ 46 BBs

[Master999]

So when u have a hand worth raising shove till you have 46 BB in this case ?

[Webslinger]

Don't you mean divided by 15 ... ?

700/1.5 = 466
700/15 = 46

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[Master999]

Well yeah i got that

[sence25]

The effective bigblind(2/3 pot) after the raise is 466, which means you can push up to like 4,6k chips(=46 uneffective bbs).

[darinvg]

It gives you the upper limit so you aren't over shoving. JJ is a really strong hand but given that we're on the bubble with the stack setup we have it's better to just shove.

[Master999]

hmmm could some1 post me a link or explains the maths out for me. Im not familiar with effective and uneffective BBs.

[sence25]

Just look at an unraised pot.
Let's take this hand.
When it gets to you(and UTG folded although he raised here [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ) the pot is 300. 300*2/3 gives you the effective blind, which in an unraised pot obviously is the real blind(i think uneffective was the wrong wordselection of mine).
You can do this at any time, just to calculate whether a push is superior to any other play.
Just take the pot, multiply it with 2/3, and see whether you have close to/below 10bb.
Hope this helped.