100-200 two hands

[hotmark777]

i havent played much at all with aba, how many times is this a missed draw or a worse hand?

PokerStars Game #8663755431: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/02/28 - 01:58:06 (ET)
Table 'Chryseis II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: PoorUser ($19500 in chips)
Seat 3: hotmark777 ($25040 in chips)
Seat 6: MrSweets28 ($43515 in chips)
Seat 7: aba20 ($24895 in chips)
Seat 8: $tinger 88 ($19700 in chips)
PoorUser: posts small blind $100
hotmark777: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hotmark777 [Ac Jd]
MrSweets28: raises $400 to $600
aba20: calls $600
$tinger 88: calls $600
PoorUser: folds
hotmark777: calls $400
*** FLOP *** [Js Ah 5c]
hotmark777: checks
MrSweets28: checks
aba20: checks
$tinger 88: checks
*** TURN *** [Js Ah 5c] [4h]
hotmark777: bets $1800
MrSweets28: folds
aba20: raises $4400 to $6200
$tinger 88: folds
hotmark777: calls $4400
*** RIVER *** [Js Ah 5c 4h] [Td]
hotmark777: checks
aba20: bets $18095 and is all-in

second hand i would like comments on how i played this

PokerStars Game #8664095158: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/02/28 - 02:41:01 (ET)
Table 'Ninina' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: PoorUser ($104593 in chips)
Seat 3: potstabber10 ($19700 in chips)
Seat 5: aba20 ($24575 in chips)
Seat 6: hotmark777 ($65321 in chips)
Seat 7: Empire2000 ($22490 in chips)
Seat 8: monkey101 ($18090 in chips)
Seat 9: $tinger 88 ($20895 in chips)
Empire2000: posts small blind $100
monkey101: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hotmark777 [3d 4d]
$tinger 88: raises $400 to $600
PoorUser: folds
potstabber10: calls $600
aba20: calls $600
hotmark777: calls $600
Empire2000: folds
monkey101: calls $400
*** FLOP *** [4s 4c Kh]
monkey101: checks
$tinger 88: bets $2200
potstabber10: calls $2200
aba20: folds
hotmark777: calls $2200
monkey101: folds
*** TURN *** [4s 4c Kh] [7s]
$tinger 88: checks
potstabber10: checks
hotmark777: checks
*** RIVER *** [4s 4c Kh 7s] [5d]
$tinger 88: checks
potstabber10: bets $6125
edit i only called bet.... btw

[snagglepuss]

fold 1. 44/55 likely, as is AJ. has it too often.
hand 2 looks like you are dropping value sometimes vs AK, also AA kinda often. are you hoping stinger overcalls AK?

[Requin]

I definately raise the flop in hand 2

[Stinger88]

bet turn hand 2

[hotmark777]

stinger i was afraid of a stronger 4 with potstabbers flat call.... if i bet turn dont u think i would have gotten less action from a king lets say?

[KingNeo]

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bet turn hand 2

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Yeah after they both check it to you I would def bet here. It could look like you are attempting to buy the pot, not to mention AA or AK is gonna have a very difficult time folding anyways.

[hotmark777]

and lets say i get c/r ai... what do u suggest?

[kitaristi0]

Fold hand 1.

[KingNeo]

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and lets say i get c/r ai... what do u suggest?

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So on the turn there is $9000 in the pot. A turn bet would be around $6500-$7500.

At this point, if you get check raised all in it is gonna be: AA, AK, KK, A4, or air IMO. You said you might be concerned about a better 4, but the only better 4 is A4. 46s is a possibilty but this hand is same as yours. I dont think any other 4s are being played for a raise here besides A4 and maybe 46s.

WIth that said, I haven't played tons with you since the PP 10/20 days, but with your image I think a call is certainly warranted. I can't really see folding this for approx another $10k into about a $35k pot.

[iRock]

ive played a lot with both players: call both, though the river on 2 is closer than the first hand. If you bet the turn on 2 you might get an extra bit of value from hands like AK but you arent getting much more either way if you are winning. the first hand brian bets with less for value there, and total air isn't out of his range. You will be behind a good portion but not enough for the odds to dictate a fold.