ZOMG I has a flushdraw and gutshot!

[Fiksdal]

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But what kind of hand does villain do this with? A pure bluff?

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Some of the time, yes.

Other times it's A8 or something else marginal that he gets away from. Either way it rocks for teh Hero.

[corsakh]

Does not matter. But be sure that he is going to do this very soon again, this time with even less because he is annoyed his bluff got reraised and you did not show. And this time you need to call him down even with a middle pair. Dont raise and dont panic, just let your timer run out and call all three streets.

[yntm3]

Nice analysis Fiksdal. Understanding that post-flop meta game stuff helps me a lot. Once you do this one or two times the tables tends to just subconciously bend over to you. I like it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Once question. You seem sure that we have good FE here, but against this players aggression factor we have to think he isn't going to be raising lightly? Perhaps the sample size is too small and we can not use it?

[Fiksdal]

I don't know how big our FE is. We have some, but he is obv gonna call fairly often too. Point is, we have 13 outs twice, possibly 14. And there is already a lot of overlay in the pot. This alone could make it a shove. When we add FE and metagame to the equation, it becomes a very nice spot to shove.

[corsakh]

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I don't know how big our FE is. We have some, but he is obv gonna call fairly often too. Point is, we have 13 outs twice, possibly 14. And there is already a lot of overlay in the pot. This alone could make it a shove. When we add FE and metagame to the equation, it becomes a very nice spot to shove.

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Not to sound like a dick, but after reading this some people will honestly believe that the hero has 13-14 outs and push this flop with like 5BB in the pot, where is in reality we rarely have more than 10.

[Fiksdal]

Uhm.. what hand have we only got 10 outs against? Made straight? Elaborate plz.

[spivey]

Push, fist pump, etc.

I would not be surprised if villian folds a lot of the hands with a 7 in it here, so I think we have decent FE.

If he calls, the metagame will be huge when people see you showing all of this agression with 93.

[corsakh]

There are 12 outs to a straight or a flush.

Unless he is bluffing, he has an over, a set/two pair or some sort of a draw.

Against an over we are good, say 11 outs (there is a chance he has a diamond and there is a chance he has some backdoor).

Against two pair, he may redraw to a boat and he may or may not have a diamond. About 10 outs. Against a set, probably about 9-8 outs.

Against a draw, we may be drawing to 3 outs, may be drawing to 9 outs - hard to tell, but never more than 10.

[Fiksdal]

The made straight and NFD are small parts of villains range. All the overpairs, top pair, middle pairs in it, and all the fold equity is a lot more important.

Sorry about my math though. lol.

[corsakh]

I am not talking about a NFD or a made straight, sure its negligible.

But: any flush draw, even 34, even when we are not dominated, and any straight draw have our outs. We dont have 12 any more. And against top pairs and middle pairs you dont really need FE since you are ahead.