JJ, I feel weak

call for set value.

[RingoStar]

Even though I love math, I'm more interested in what OP did on this flop. Flop is close to ideal, so did you fold pinning him on KK/AA or did you move in?

[TheRenaissance]

To those who advocate calling for set value, could you tell me exactly how much value we are talking about?

[TheyCallMeDonk]

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Even though I love math, I'm more interested in what OP did on this flop. Flop is close to ideal, so did you fold pinning him on KK/AA or did you move in?

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I lol'd at the donkbet and was praying to the Gods

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $9.73
Hero (BB): $25.00
BTN: $28.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BTN raises to $0.75</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $5.25</font>, Hero calls $2.25

Flop: ($10.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $5.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $19.75</font>, BTN folds

Pot Size: $35.85

results pls.

[TheRenaissance]

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results pls.

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lol they are right there.
note that along with Feike's math, the results of this hand shows that playing this hand purely for set value after the 4bet is wrong.

villain DID NOT stack off postflop, and so we DID NOT have the implied odds we needed to call for set value. now i'm being results oriented, but that fact some players will either fold AA/KK postflop in a 4bet pot (for some reason) OR play other hands than AA/KK in this way a certain percentage of the time will make playing JJ for set value -EV in this particular spot.

if you disagree please show me some math, and spare me the one liners about "set value ldo".