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#11
11-30-2007, 04:28 PM
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Re: Bubble Situation What Do You Do?????????
Your choices 1) are call and see a flop...You have the 3rd best hand in a micro... not getting enough value. To me(fellow micro donk) You have to rr.
2) RR how much? $1000? or Push? TT/JJ+ will push back for sure on 1000 rr. Many As and prs will push back. Only trash is likely folding. Will trash call a 1000 rr? So the question is does the push win you more money with a lower win % in 10-20% fewwer pots(folds) but a 5 times bigger pot. Sometimes you will fold on flop, but sometimes you will stack and win anyway? 
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#12
11-30-2007, 05:33 PM
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Re: Bubble Situation What Do You Do?????????
lev, first off, I agree with you 100%, that shoving PF here is brutish and playing scared.
I do, however, think that our play needs to be tailored to the stakes, and in a $1 tournament, shoving PF might be the best way to get all the money into the middle with the best hand. Basically, I wouldn't push because I'm scared of seeing an A on the flop, but because I'm not sure that UTG+1 is limping and then folding this shallow. I don't play this low, but in $5 MTTs I see this type of play a lot from small to medium pairs from players that can't open fold a pair, won't raise cause they're scared and then won't fold to a shove. On the other hand, all the responses to shove need to be balanced by people explaining that outside of the context of this particular tournament with this buy-in, shoving here is a massive overbet, and is going to lose you value.
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#13
11-30-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: Bubble Situation What Do You Do?????????
Oh, and the fact that this is the bubble really shouldn't have any effect on your play.
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#14
11-30-2007, 05:55 PM
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Re: Bubble Situation What Do You Do?????????
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At this level, however, I doubt that many Villains are going to fold a hand to a shove that they'd call a reasonable raise with, so I'm shoving here. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you, that was my point entirely. -ZEN
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#17
12-01-2007, 02:22 AM
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Re: Bubble Situation What Do You Do?????????
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no the shove doesn't optimize a great hand. make it 1500. then u can shove flop if no ace hits [/ QUOTE ] agree with this completely the shove is totally overkill and is just playing to not have tough decisions
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