HU vs unknown

johnnyrocket · #1 11-29-2007, 07:14 PM

Does everyone peel flop and turn here HU? is the river a reraise for value?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?
Final Pot: 11.60 BB

johnnyrocket · #2 11-29-2007, 07:17 PM

i know flop peel is normal, on turn lets say there are 3 10's, 3 A's and 4 5's. Probably not all outs, i'd say an avg of about 6 outs are good. On turn i am getting 5:1 and i think i have the implied odds tho if i hit the river. Ace high can also be good here as well.

when i get to river, reraise for value?

acehole60 · #3 11-29-2007, 07:25 PM

I had just written some crap until I saw it was HU. You gotta have some kind of read. Is he 3-betting lightly? Value betting much? Folding much or calling down? What's your image?
What I'm trying to say is that these HU matches depends soooo much on the flow of the game and how you perceive eachother. Often it's difficult for outsiders to say anything interesting.

But as a general rule I 2-time his ass in this spot. You'll get looked up by lots of pp's and 9x. Against some opponents I can fold to a 3-bet but I'd also call against some.

acehole60 · #4 11-29-2007, 07:27 PM

fwiw I think the two peels are standard against almost all opponents.

EDIT: And you can't reraise river. You can raise, though.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #5 11-29-2007, 07:32 PM

I think the peels are standard unless you've got some sort of sick read on the guy.

I agree that 5's arent is range evre unless its 55, but he did just fire at every street. You'd have to PS it. River raise depends a lot on any sort of read, is he willing to 3barrel here with KQ? What is he gogn to call a river raise with? TT-KK? 9x? 66-88? Most players know that the A hit most of your range

johnnyrocket · #6 11-29-2007, 07:35 PM

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I think the peels are standard unless you've got some sort of sick read on the guy.

I agree that 5's arent is range evre unless its 55, but he did just fire at every street. You'd have to PS it. River raise depends a lot on any sort of read, is he willing to 3barrel here with KQ? What is he gogn to call a river raise with? TT-KK? 9x? 66-88? Most players know that the A hit most of your range

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again, absolutely no reads which makes this hand appliable to everyone cuz its a general spot lots run in to.

larm · #7 11-29-2007, 07:42 PM

You need to raise the river for value and i dont think you can fold to a 3 bet. HU is an information saturated environment and you need to have an idea about how he is playing so you can make better decissions later in the match. Calldown lighter in the start of a huhu match so you can adjust a lot more to how your opponent is playing. He could be valuebetting AX, 9x, 4x, pocketpair and bluff the scarecard with a FD. I think i would cap for value PF and the posibility to bet/3 bet a good flop.

MitchL · #8 11-29-2007, 07:36 PM

I would just call vs an unknown. Id really only raise against an aggrotard who just barrels w/o thinking. Any opponent with a functioning brain realizes that your range is heavily weighted towards A-high hands. Decent opponents will take a b/f line w/ underpairs sometimes so the only value i get out of raising is against the worst of the worst.

johnnyrocket · #9 11-29-2007, 07:33 PM

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I had just written some crap until I saw it was HU. You gotta have some kind of read. Is he 3-betting lightly? Value betting much? Folding much or calling down? What's your image?
What I'm trying to say is that these HU matches depends soooo much on the flow of the game and how you perceive eachother. Often it's difficult for outsiders to say anything interesting.

But as a general rule I 2-time his ass in this spot. You'll get looked up by lots of pp's and 9x. Against some opponents I can fold to a 3-bet but I'd also call against some.

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2nd hand of HU, so no reads at all, what are we thinking if the river blanks? most still call here?

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #10 11-29-2007, 07:36 PM

define blank? I call because I'm a unblufable station and if I think I'm going to playing this guy for more than acouple hands I want to know what he's going to 3 barrel OOP. I wouldnt expect to win often but HU I like to try and get a read on what line an opponent is goign to take as quickly as I can. Beware though, I blow at HU :-D