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Old 04-03-2007, 12:57 AM
ReNoRyan ReNoRyan is offline
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Default $6.50 KK value shove river?

Vilian is a donk, has played a ton of hands so far. What do you think of this line and do you like a river push?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1540)
UTG+1 (t1980)
MP1 (t820)
Hero (t1695)
Button (t4210)
SB (t1840)
BB (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls t50, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t200</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG calls t150

Flop: (t475) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t222</font>, UTG calls t222

Turn: (t919) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">UTG bets t100</font>, Hero calls t100

River: (t1119) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t1173 (All-in)
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:03 AM
Green Kool Aid Green Kool Aid is offline
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

I like flop and turn.

River is very very thin.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:08 AM
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

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I like flop and turn.

River is very very thin.

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Do u think he is really checking trips here? Why do you think this push is so thin?
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

I think there's value in the river but I def bet less than allin.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

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I think there's value in the river but I def bet less than allin.

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Ok how much do you bet here to get him to call??
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:43 AM
Jshuttlesworth Jshuttlesworth is offline
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

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I like flop and turn.

River is very very thin.

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Do u think he is really checking trips here? Why do you think this push is so thin?

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well it's a two way street because while yes, he is not going to be checking trips very often, he also won't be calling with &lt; trips very often.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

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I like flop and turn.

River is very very thin.

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Do u think he is really checking trips here? Why do you think this push is so thin?

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well it's a two way street because while yes, he is not going to be checking trips very often, he also won't be calling with &lt; trips very often.

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Ok fair enough.... how much do u bet here for him to call with a worse hand?
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:55 AM
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

This looks like a missed draw by the river and a scared bet on the turn. I'm not sure how much I would bet here cause I figure he's not going to call very often, maybe somewhere like 1/3 - 1/5?
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:17 AM
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

why is he donk enough that you can value you bet river but not donk enough that he wouldnt check trips? Im more playing devils advocate here but just make sure that you evaluate all possible donk-moves by him, because some force you to take a different line.


as played when betting the river 5 or 600 is good. I think this maximizes equity when betting for value on the river here and makes him less likely to fold as opposed to when you overbet/stick your whole stack in. even idiots get scared of bets too big, so if you want a call i think this is a good amount.
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: $6.50 KK value shove river?

Shove the turn.
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