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Old 06-18-2007, 04:19 PM
DonLigretto DonLigretto is offline
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Default 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

Hi

This guy raised all in for about three hands in a row. So I decided to call. He showed QJs and won of course. Should I have folded? Which hands would justify a call here? Only QQ+?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1320
UTG+1: t1460
MP1: t3690
MP2: t235
MP3: t1205
CO: t1560
DonLigretto: t1375
SB: t1195
BB: t1460

Pre-flop: (9 players) DonLigretto is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
6 folds, <font color="#cc0000">DonLigretto raises to t150</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in t1195</font>, BB folds, DonLigretto calls t1045 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1395)</font>.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2440, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2440)


Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2440, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2440)


River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2440, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2440)


Results:
Final pot: t2440
<font color="#ffffff">DonLigretto showed Ah Kh</font>
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed Jc Qc</font>
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:22 PM
Kevin8423 Kevin8423 is offline
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

Calling this is fine IMO, but I expect a lot of people to like folding.
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:25 PM
RRizGod RRizGod is offline
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

Snap call normal 5.5 villian.
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:34 PM
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

folding here would be gross.
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:44 PM
DonLigretto DonLigretto is offline
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

So you're calling (even this early) in a tournament with AK (offsuit and suited), and QQ+? What if he raised to 1000 with a stack of 1500, would you have pushed?
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:49 PM
Kevin8423 Kevin8423 is offline
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

The fact that he is on ATC makes it a little different than if you had AKo the first hand against a shover readless.
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

This is a super easy call.Its a blind battle,and the pusher is a maniac.
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:59 PM
MaLiik MaLiik is offline
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

You always call a maniac with this hand! Doubling up early in a SnG will often help you enough to compensate for the times you go bust.

You could argue that having a 40/60 early on is enough to justify a call in this case. The double up is just so good!
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

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You could argue that having a 40/60 early on is enough to justify a call in this case.

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false
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:04 PM
MaLiik MaLiik is offline
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Default Re: 5.5: Maniac goes all in at the beginning, call justified?

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You could argue that having a 40/60 early on is enough to justify a call in this case.

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false

[/ QUOTE ]Why?

Having 1500 of 13500 chips gives us ~1/9 of the money, having 3000 of 13500 chips gives us ~1/5 of the money. I might write some more on this subject some day but the barrier for doubling on the first hand is lower then 50%.
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