60 - KK bubble situation

[Rupert]

Rex: sorry, didn't notice

Would stacking off with AK/JJ be bad when we cover both stacks?

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Madbeetz,

I just saw your post on P5s and replied there before looking at this thread. I'll just copy what I said there and then read through the rest of the thread. From what I gathered on P5s, this may be redundant, but whatever... here it is.

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I haven't seen the thread on 2p2, but just looking at it here, it looks like a fold. I haven't done any math myself, but I would suspect that 2 things make it a fold:

1. You lock up ITM just by folding. You risk a 4th place finish by calling.

2. You would be calling 2 people and seeing all 5 cards. That drastically lowers your chances of winning the hand at showdown. Had only one person gone in, this would of course be a call.

This is one of the extremely few times I'd ever fold KK pre-flop in a SNG.

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I like this intuitive explanation of why a fold is best. ICM says fold, and here is a nice logical reason to fold. It puts you ITM, period. Why risk that, simply because you love KK? It's simply a hand. You have the same probability of hitting it next hand.

[kyro]

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Never underestimate the value of actually calculating what the chances are of coming 1st/2nd/3rd/4th in the various scenarios...

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you know what. I'm so [censored] done with this thread. If you want to stay retarded, be my [censored] guest. You have 5 quality posters who are respected here saying they will call and you have 10 people here with post counts 300 or less saying to fold.

Jesus, ignorance sure does follow the masses.

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You are such a lousy poster.

[kyro]

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Guys : this post is one year old

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so it is.

he's still a lousy poster.

[shbball7]

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I dont know about the math... but if i'm dealt this hand I call every time...

why do you people insist on screwing up SNG instincts with math...


g'night.

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plz sit n my sngs k thx

[Soulman]

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Never underestimate the value of actually calculating what the chances are of coming 1st/2nd/3rd/4th in the various scenarios...

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you know what. I'm so [censored] done with this thread. If you want to stay retarded, be my [censored] guest. You have 5 quality posters who are respected here saying they will call and you have 10 people here with post counts 300 or less saying to fold.

Jesus, ignorance sure does follow the masses.

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You are such a lousy poster.

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Out of curiosity, how do you manage to dis him twice for being a bad poster in the same thread?

[Roland32]

I remember reading this.... a year ago. Kinda said that I ddidnt post would have been amusing

[AMT]

god i only costed myself 4 dollars by wanting to call this a year ago! wooooo

[drzen]

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Never underestimate the value of actually calculating what the chances are of coming 1st/2nd/3rd/4th in the various scenarios...

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you know what. I'm so [censored] done with this thread. If you want to stay retarded, be my [censored] guest. You have 5 quality posters who are respected here saying they will call and you have 10 people here with post counts 300 or less saying to fold.


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LOL. Whenever an "old boy" gets his arse handed to him by someone with the figures to back it up, he whines that his opinion should be respected because he has *so many* posts.

Well dude, if they were all of the quality of the ones here, you need to think about whether quantity really does beat quality.

[fluorescenthippo]

could sng wiz do this last year?

anyways its as i expected. AA is a clear call vs (almost) any range. KK is a fold unless they are both pushing like any two.