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Old 11-20-2007, 02:56 AM
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Default WTF spot in a RR pot

I don't have a HH for the hand. Relevant reads are the co is 20/16 and I've seen him 4 bet someone in a good spot to do so one time, the guy folded so IDK what he had.

Btn has been 3 betting a decent amount in position, but not enough that I think he's been doing it with suited connectors or anything crazy.,

My image is about 21/17ish and I've squeezed / 3 bet a few times, never with a showdown, double barreled a few times, no showdowns, delayed cbet a few times, no showdowns. No hands of note played vs button before this one.

Eff stacks are ~$1100

CO opens $35, BTN SNAP calls, hero raise J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to $150 in the SB, BB folds, CO folds, BTN calls.

flop ($380) Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

hero checks, BTN checks.

turn ($380) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

hero bets $200, BTN raises all-in to $900ish.

Given my turn bet should I call here? I don't think he can put me on a hand here other than maybe AcXc or something like that.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:02 AM
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Default Re: WTF spot in a RR pot

Why would you consider this to be a bet/call spot?

I think he could play JJ or other mid pair hands like this.

Add in the times he has turned a set and flopped the nf and this begins to merit a fold.

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Old 11-20-2007, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: WTF spot in a RR pot

bet/folding is burning $200.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:27 AM
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Default Re: WTF spot in a RR pot

No reads/stats on the villain?

A guy who is coldcalling a raise like this has either a pair, like 22-TT, or a big ace that he slowed pre-flop, like ATs-AQo, or maybe KQ. That's at least what I've experienced.

I really think he'd bet all his sets on this board, since you might be C/Ring him, furthermore I think he'd also bet his Ac.

Hands that might check behind and shoves this turn could be: A made flush, the nuts obv. KQ with the K of clubs, or maybe without it, and 66.

So I'd put him on KQ, a flush, 66 or just a bluff, since yes, you have shown weakness. So you beat only his bluff which prolly doesn't make up that big part of his range? I say this mainly because a bluff would appear at the flop at some times, which it didn't, so he's less likely to bluff the turn here I think.

Theres like 1480 in the pot and it'll cost you another 700, so in rough terms he gotta be bluffing more than 30% for you to call profitably, someone do the EV pls, I just woke up.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:32 AM
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Default Re: WTF spot in a RR pot

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bet/folding is burning $200.

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it's not great but it's far from burning money.

i'd bet the flop and probably be done with it after that.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: WTF spot in a RR pot

bet flop > c/c some where > c/f > bet call > cr
...imo obviously this depends on the turn and river but you catch my drift
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