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Old 11-05-2007, 09:54 AM
HOWMANY HOWMANY is offline
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Default 150/300 simple preflop

8 handed game, villain is a weak player and probably plays 90% of his hands but if he raises preflop in this game he probably has an actual playable hand of some sort.

2 folds, villain raises, I am next to act with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I fold raise or call? i know this seems dumb but a well respected 2+2er disagreed with what to do here and he needs to be convinced that he is apparently retarded at omaha 8.
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 simple preflop

Define "playable" please. Does this include stuff like A38J A289 or is he only raising A2KQ A235 AA3T type hands?
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 simple preflop

I like a Call > Raise > Fold here.

On a sidenote... PLEASEE TELL ME WHERE THIS GAME IS!
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:04 PM
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probably any a2, any a+2 wheel cards, any AA, probably a bunch of a3, a lot of a4 with any kind of connection going on and then random high hands he wants to play.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 simple preflop

I suck at o8, but I would call with this hand because this is a hand that does well multi-way. Although, I would much prefer if it was not raised, because this hand feels a little bit dry. If I had been running bad recently I might throw it away.

Is suited A2 always playable?
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:31 PM
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probably any a2, any a+2 wheel cards, any AA, probably a bunch of a3, a lot of a4 with any kind of connection going on and then random high hands he wants to play.

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I think how everyone else plays is a consideration between cold calling and 3betting. If you can shut everyone else out and maybe quarter him, 3betting is a decent idea. This applies for A2Kx type hands too. If a 3bet is just going to result in playing a huge pot from the middle b/c everyone is cold calling 3 behind you, then maybe you should just call and take a flop.

A lot of preflop plays in O8 run really close, IMO.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:50 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 simple preflop

huh. i wrote out a reply but i think i erased it while answering a food question. . .


couple things that are more important than equity:

-- players behind you and their reaction to a 3 bet? can you fold them out if they don't hold A23x or somethign like that?


-- is bad player weak post flop and will fold river if he airballs on the low? or is he loose and will go to showdown with anything?

dream scenario would be, 3 bet to isolate. 3/4 him on a low board and pair 7s wins high.

worst case: 3 bet to isolate and get action around the table. peel all the way to the river and make crying call with sevens up.

somewhere in between: call preflop. try to flop a low draw and perhaps a back door clubs or backdoor set of sevens. make others call down with A3 low. keep the pot small so if you get 1/4, 1/6, it's not that bad.

don't fold.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 simple preflop

Agree its totally dependant on how the table is playing

Also curious where the game is?
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:57 PM
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because this hand feels a little bit dry.

[/ QUOTE ] nut flush and set value.

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If I had been running bad recently I might throw it away.

[/ QUOTE ] decision making is based on equity and thought process, not your own results of the prior 100 hands.

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Is suited A2 always playable?

[/ QUOTE ] in my regular game, this is the nuts.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 simple preflop

HOWMANY said before this game goes at the Bike.

and does this game typically play like the stereotypical AZN GAMBOOL game that us east coasters can only dream about?
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