Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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FWIW, I've sweated friends playing pokergirl z and casually watched her play on many ocassions. I personally never saw any evidence of botting. As telling as anything, she was definitely prone to tilting and did so on many ocassions. Another thing pokergirl z did that a bot wouldn't do is leave games quickly after getting stuck ~5-10 bets (even against known fish). I'm just not sure what to think anymore.

Can someone who's seen some information answer whether multiple accounts (per Mike and specifically "pokergirl z" and "greggo77") had anything to do with Full Tilt's decision?

[Phil153]

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Even if pokergirl z cheated, which i dont believe...

FT's rep getting rapêd all over the place < 47k $.


[x] Unfreeze the mobniez.

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Doesn't this just speak to their integrity? If they were a PR firm like Stars, they would have refunded the money and gone out of their way to avoid a situation like this in the first place (including appeasing the cheaters or giving them a warning first so they can hide what they're doing). This whole situation is going to cost them more than 50K in business and they knew that from the start, but stuck to their guns.

The customer service side of things could be handled a lot better - they definitely need to say what they're investigating. Other companies do it and it's unacceptable that they stonewall completely.

[MicroBob]

yes, I've also considered that they are actually possibly costing themselves MORE than $50k worth of business by coming to this conclusion because of the heat they are under and the fear some now have of playing there.

This is really their own fault though and nobody else's.
If they handled this professionally and said they are investigating the possibility of bot use and would like to talk to her about some suspicious play and then later said, "We have talked with the player and she maintains her innocence but we believe our evidence to be absolutely conclusive on this matter and thus will be confiscating the funds. We are open to continuing discussions with this player about this but we do not foresee changing our decision as we would not have taken such action if we didn't have extremely clear proof that she was using a bot."

Something like that....
ANYTHING like that would have been a TON better.

you would still have pokergirlz freaking out about her money. But you would have far fewer people taking her side or fearing that FT takes your money if you happen to get unlucky and accidentally set of their alarms.
Because people will at least get SOME impression that the investigation was fair and that FT really did know what they were doing.

Right now they are leaving the exact opposite impression even if it's the furthest thing from the truth.

To that end, FT got themselves into this situation somewhat and continued to dig their own hole.
They see this thread with various other players freaking out and still don't even meaningfully communicate with the accused and barely communicate with those on here.

In other words, they should be able to pull off taking $47k from an accused bot...even a falsely accused one...without scaring so many of their other players nearly this much.


Curious that you describe Stars as a 'PR firm'.
Obviously I'm a fan of Stars and perhaps I'm gullible to their PR. But I just don't look at them like that.
I just think they do a better job all-around which includes actually communicating with their customers.

[StellarWind]

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I truly think that Stars is just better at catching the bots and in doing so more quickly and in a more professional way.

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PokerStars doesn't offer highs stakes HU LHE cash games.

Unless they want to play small stakes, the type of bots that pokergirl z and BeatMe1 are accused of operating have no place to play at Stars.

[Johny Poker]

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FWIW, I've sweated friends playing pokergirl z and casually watched her play on many ocassions. I personally never saw any evidence of botting. As telling as anything, she was definitely prone to tilting and did so on many ocassions. Another thing pokergirl z did that a bot wouldn't do is leave games quickly after getting stuck ~5-10 bets (even against known fish). I'm just not sure what to think anymore.

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Interesting. So I google pokergirl z and the first listing is a blog that looks to be her. Correct me Sal if I am wrong. Down the page a bit she describes her play:

"My Mecca .. Online gaming. I started playing 5-10 Texas Holdem heads up limit games and realized the world was my ocean. Good fishing and an endless horizon. I quickly moved up to 10-20 and now I play up to 300-600. I’ve been playing online for over 2 years now. I wish I could say I was a cool headed Zen like poker master. I cannot say that. I’m volatile and have been known to go on tilt on occasion."

Part of her Aug. 05, 2005 post. Doesn't prove anything, but sounds alot like how she was seen by previous poster. Someone who goes on tilt is not a bot. Hand histories should show this. Come on FT, cough em up.

[dying2win]

finding cases of her tilting in min bet hands will be 100 times harder than finding them in NL

[Johny Poker]

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finding cases of her tilting in min bet hands will be 100 times harder than finding them in NL

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Nah, tilting in limit is easy to spot in an otherwise solid player. You get a monster snapped off and suddenly find yourself calling a raise with K, 10 off or a double raise with 66. Bots will not do this.

[MicroBob]

Johny - She plays heads-up.
I sure as hell hope she calls raises with KT and 3-bets with 66. She might be the weakest heads-up player in history if she doesn't.

[imozyslow]

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finding cases of her tilting in min bet hands will be 100 times harder than finding them in NL

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Nah, tilting in limit is easy to spot in an otherwise solid player. You get a monster snapped off and suddenly find yourself calling a raise with K, 10 off or a double raise with 66. Bots will not do this.

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[Johny Poker]

Woops sorry, you are right HU not ring. But tilt should still be visible from the histories.