Nancy Pelosi Going to Syria

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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It's time to let the grownups have a shot at it.


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Then the Dems need to win the executive branch.
Then they can implement the foreign policy they want. Until then, the executive branch conducts foreign policy like it always has...

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so you oppose any legislative involvement in foreign policy matters (whether through fact-finding, passing resolutions, granting or not granting funding, etc) unless they have specific presidential approval? maybe you would prefer getting rid of the legislative branch entirely and just having an elected president with many advisors?

[ShakeZula06]

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maybe you would prefer getting rid of the legislative branch entirely and just having an elected president with many advisors?


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As long as it's a republican.

[Case Closed]

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It's time to let the grownups have a shot at it.


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Then the Dems need to win the executive branch.
Then they can implement the foreign policy they want. Until then, the executive branch conducts foreign policy like it always has...

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She is not conducting foreign policy. She is searching out information to combat the president's ideas on foreign policy. So when Bush says it is XYZ over there, she will be able to retort that when she visited it was more like ABC. Which is a lovely way to run a democracy, everyone being pro-active and looking for solutions to our mounting foreign policy problems. Maybe if more people go over there someone will realize we need to get the hell out of there.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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so you oppose any legislative involvement in foreign policy matters (whether through fact-finding, passing resolutions, granting or not granting funding, etc) unless they have specific presidential approval?

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The legislative branch should respect the US constituion and only get involved in foreign policy matters that are specified in the constituion.
E.g. The Senate has the power to ratify treaties.

Call me old fashion but I think the separation of powers should be adhered to. Perhaps you have heard of a document called the constitution? Nancy Pelosi's trip to Syria is a power grab by a member of the legislative branch. There are 300 million people in the USA. The people chose Bush to lead the executive branch and therefore the people elected BUSH to conduct foreign policy. The people of San Francisco elected Nancy Pelosi.....the other 295 million people of the USA did not get a chance to vote for her. She needs to respect the US Constitution...

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maybe you would prefer getting rid of the legislative branch entirely

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Maybe bats will fly out-of-your ass.
It would make more sense than the quote you wrote above... But let me commend you on an excellent example of the strawman argument. You falsely attributed an argument to someone that never uttered it. Not an ethical way of debating....

[latefordinner]

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The legislative branch should respect the US constituion

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The State has been wiping its ass with the Constitution since before the ink dried

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and only get involved in foreign policy matters that are specified in the constituion.

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oh i'm sorry, does it specify somewhere in the constitution that legislators (or any US citizen) aren't allowed to leave the country to gather information, talk to foreign leaders, broker peace accords, without a hall pass from the President?

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San Francisco

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are you going to mention San Francisco in every single reply you make in this thread? because I think it is besides the point.

[theweatherman]

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oh i'm sorry, does it specify somewhere in the constitution that legislators (or any US citizen) aren't allowed to leave the country to gather information, talk to foreign leaders, broker peace accords, without a hall pass from the President?

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It does. Passports

citizens have no right to leave the country.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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The State has been wiping its ass with the Constitution since before the ink dried

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We agree...

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oh i'm sorry, does it specify somewhere in the constitution that legislators (or any US citizen) aren't allowed to leave the country to gather information, talk to foreign leaders, broker peace accords, without a hall pass from the President?

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Yes...you did take a Government class in school. Yes?
Have your heard the concept of separation of powers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...s_Constitution
The idea is to divide up power between the branches instead of giving one branch too much power. The power to conduct foreign policy is an executive power. Just as the legislative branch has the power to draft bills. The president can't draft a bill. A bill must come from congress. The legislative branch can not negotiate treaties. They can only ratify treaties.

It would be total chaos to have 100 senators and 535 Congressman traveling the world negotiating treaties. Nancy Pelosi is making an ass out of herself and that makes me happy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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They've killed non-Christian leaders as well case in point Rafik Hariri.

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True....
The Syrians like to kill Lebanese that don't kow-tow to them. Druse, Shia, Christians, Sunni, etc...

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Yep.....Ready-Shoot-Aim.
Typical.