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2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
Opponent was sitting waiting with $400 odd at Stars $100NL, so may be a regular. We were about even after 15".
Pre-flop he was raising/limping/folding his SB about a third of the time each. He was continuation betting mostly but checking behind a bit. He went for call down lines with TP a at least once in position. Generally if he called once, he didn't like folding. He'd never 2-barrelled before, that is he'd always shutdown after I check-called/folded when I check-raised. This was only the second time I'd 3-bet him (the first time he called then folded the flop). Is a check-raise on the turn a no-brainer here? I was planning to fold the turn if I didn't improve and he bet again FWIW. After he bet the turn I figured 2nd pair was not good and I had no fold equity. Even against such a passive opponent is that just stupid HU? Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $406.60 Hero (BB): $107.50 Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) <font color="red">SB raises to $3</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB calls $11 Flop: ($28) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9 Turn: ($46) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $30</font>, Hero calls, folds, or raises? |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
Any specific reason why you checked the flop ?
Check calling such a small bet from him is a mistake . If he was on a draw , then you're actually giving him the right price to see a turn card . Again , I'm not too sure why you're playing this hand so passively . |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
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Any specific reason why you checked the flop ? Check calling such a small bet from him is a mistake . If he was on a draw , then you're actually giving him the right price to see a turn card . Again , I'm not too sure why you're playing this hand so passively . [/ QUOTE ] Jay, Probably because I'm not very good at HU. My thinking on the flop was something like: - He may bet a worse hand if I check - He may check an A and turn TP in which case I get his stack - Most people give up on the turn after being called so I should have a better idea of where I am then, maybe value bet the river if he checks behind - I suspect he's not calling with a worse hand if I bet the flop ... given his tightness pre-flop I don't think he has many 9s or draws Does that make any sense? I mean I'm not very happy with how I played this hand (or HU in general) |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
The decision is to either call or shove . If you don't think you have any fold equity and that your second pair is certainly behind (not sure why you think this ) then go ahead and call .
You have at most 15 outs . You're being offered pot odds of (46+30) : 30 or ~ 2.53:1 and you have at most 15 outs . The probability you hit one of your outs on the river is close to 33% ; moreover , you have implied odds when you hit . |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
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[ QUOTE ] Any specific reason why you checked the flop ? Check calling such a small bet from him is a mistake . If he was on a draw , then you're actually giving him the right price to see a turn card . Again , I'm not too sure why you're playing this hand so passively . [/ QUOTE ] Jay, Probably because I'm not very good at HU. My thinking on the flop was something like: - He may bet a worse hand if I check - He may check an A and turn TP in which case I get his stack - Most people give up on the turn after being called so I should have a better idea of where I am then, maybe value bet the river if he checks behind - I suspect he's not calling with a worse hand if I bet the flop ... given his tightness pre-flop I don't think he has many 9s or draws Does that make any sense? I mean I'm not very happy with how I played this hand (or HU in general) [/ QUOTE ] If you think your opponent will bet with worse hands when you check than had you bet , then why not go for a check-raise otf ? It feels wrong to be check-calling a flop bet that is about one-third the pot size . |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
Jay, so I understand what I should be doing... you're advocating betting the flop and...
- folding to a raise, or calling? - carrying on betting if called, or shutting down? - as played check-raise? And is there any level of villain passivity that will change your line, if that makes any sense? Thanks for the thoughts so far... |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
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If you think your opponent will bet with worse hands when you check than had you bet , then why not go for a check-raise otf ? [/ QUOTE ] Again, maybe this is just rubbish (particularly HU?), but I prefer check-call the flop, let the turn get checked through, and then try to get value on the river versus a passive opponent. |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
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Jay, so I understand what I should be doing... you're advocating betting the flop and... - folding to a raise, or calling? - carrying on betting if called, or shutting down? - as played check-raise? And is there any level of villain passivity that will change your line, if that makes any sense? Thanks for the thoughts so far... [/ QUOTE ] Good questions . Against an aggressive opponent , I would call a flop raise with middle pair top kicker . Against a tight post-flop player , I may surrender the pot if I believe his raise signals top pair or better . If I had made a psb otf , then I may strongly consider check-calling the turn . Your hand is too strong to fold even if you're behind 100% of the time since you have plenty of outs . |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
You have absolutely no FE here.
Given that he's never 2 barreled before, you are behind just about always here. Fold. |
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Re: 2nd pair, turned NFD ($100NLCASH Stars)
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You have absolutely no FE here. Given that he's never 2 barreled before, you are behind just about always here. Fold. [/ QUOTE ] he picked up the nut flush draw on the turn, call > fold I agree with everyone else who says bet flop. |
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