NLTRN - Very weak cbet against all-in status shortie - Page 2

xSCWx · #11 10-09-2007, 11:24 PM

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In that case, it's alright. I assumed a 55er would be better than that [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

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The best $11 players are worlds ahead of even the worst $500 players. A lot of players just have a strong non-poker income. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Vinetou · #12 10-10-2007, 03:18 AM

Does villain likes to shove preflop or flop c bets? You said he likes to shove. However, I think pushing is better than just making a small raise because if he is pushing preflop a lot, A4 is not a great hand to call preflop reraise all in (it won't be ahead much). If he likes to come over the top of your c bets, pushing preflop is also better.

jay_shark · #13 10-10-2007, 09:32 AM

I guess nobody in here has heard of the 12X rule .

shyturtle27 · #14 10-10-2007, 01:07 PM

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I guess nobody in here has heard of the 12X rule .

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What's the 12x rule?!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

jay_shark · #15 10-10-2007, 01:21 PM

Well it's been talked about extensively by Chris Ferguson as well as in the book " Mathematics of Poker " .

This usually means that if you have 12X the BB , then shoving is often times superior to raising or limping otb .

If you notice , in a 9 player sng , the threshold for raising all in or folding is around 10BB's but this changes slightly for heads up sng's .

Hey don't listen to me , Hra will probably tell you that my advice is outdated and wrong, among other things .

shyturtle27 · #16 10-10-2007, 01:34 PM

Never heard that, but I've been thinking a lot about the pushing threshold in HUSNGs. Where did Ferguson talk about it? Link?

jay_shark · #17 10-10-2007, 02:08 PM

I sent you the link . Hope you enjoyed the article .

Kalledrengen · #18 10-10-2007, 02:24 PM

I would play it pretty much exactly like you did 50% of the times, the other 50% I would probably shove pre-flop all depending on my opponent.

Jay_Shark I would be interrested in reading that article you talk about, if you do not mind I'd be happy if you could pm me the link aswell, thanks! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

xSCWx · #19 10-10-2007, 02:26 PM

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Does villain likes to shove preflop or flop c bets? You said he likes to shove. However, I think pushing is better than just making a small raise because if he is pushing preflop a lot, A4 is not a great hand to call preflop reraise all in (it won't be ahead much). If he likes to come over the top of your c bets, pushing preflop is also better.

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To answer the question, preflop. I have no idea what he smooth called with.

ChicagoRy · #20 10-10-2007, 02:47 PM

Even if he calls with a weaker hand, your positional advantage is nil because of the stack sizes and he knows you will cbet close to 100% of flops. This, I believe, puts you at a disadvantage.

There's also some other stuff that was said that I agree with, like villain can easily shove with close to optimal hand ranges here.

You're also committing way too much into the pot preflop with an unpaired hand.

I think I get at what you were trying to do, have him make a bad call preflop and get it in on any flop? If so, you raised way too little preflop to do this. There are other problems with attempting this if this is what you were trying to do, but it's kind of off pointless to talk about.