200nl: berate my flop 3bet semibluff

[eviljeff]

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
4 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
BB: $124.5
Hero (CO): $199
BTN: $216.35
SB: $514.7

flop donk bettor is a donk.
SB is TakeUrCheese, a 21/14/5 regular who I don't have much history with

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3, 4 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7, BB calls $6

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 7 K 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($24, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10, <font color="red">SB raises to $26</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $80</font>

[deaders]

You know this is bad because it isnt like he is c/ring your cbet, theres a bet and a call and he c/r small - realllly unlikely that he is bluffing at this. Take the nice odds that he is giving you and stack his set.

[jii]

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Take the nice odds that he is giving you and stack his set.

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[cubaman]

please call me weak, but i fold after the SB minraise (what do you guys think you are ahead of?????)

[Abramovic]

I dont like betting this from the CO PF.

As played, you have no fold equity and are just getting your money in with the worst of it.

[kazana]

So, let's imagine for a second the turn is a 5 or a T, what are we behind of?
How much will that hand that we were NOT ahead of on the flop be willing pay to see the river?

C'mon, think implied odds, baby.

[llleisure]

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So, let's imagine for a second the turn is a 5 or a T, what are we behind of?
How much will that hand that we were NOT ahead of on the flop be willing pay to see the river?

C'mon, think implied odds, baby.

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Played with this guy just now and he is super aggro (21/19/11 over 114 hands), seems to be looking for double up hands and folding others. If he calls your raise or pushes, 100% he's got a set I think - and he may very well pay the straight off as a set would be one of the double up hands he's after.

[BobAllinSki]

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please call me weak, but i fold after the SB minraise (what do you guys think you are ahead of?????)

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You want him to have a set here, your hand is very diguised and a set is the hand that is most likely to pay you off.

There is little point in bluffing here, check min-raises are often weak hands or monsters, if its a monster your bluffing can get you blown out of a very profitable outdraw, if its weak they will probably just let you know on the turn and you can often launch a more successfull bluff there or take a free card depending on your mood.

Min raises are often a mistake because they often define a hand while offering lovely odds, dont pass up on the edges his mistake has offered you.

[Wolfram]

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please call me weak, but i fold after the SB minraise (what do you guys think you are ahead of?????)

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You don't need to currently be ahead to profitably call a bet.

For instance A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] vs T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on a 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is currently "behind" but a favorite to win the pot in the end so it would be a mistake to fold to an all-in bet.

In this case, hero is getting almost direct pot odds and extremely nice implied odds to draw to his straight and should call.

[Praetor]

just call flop