88 in raised pot on 567 flop

[jhill3535]

No read on MP1 only 3 hands
BB was: 25.3/7.23/.74 over 83 hands

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $105.60
<u>BB: $121.65</u>
UTG: $260
UTG+1: $111.75
<u>MP1: $102.75</u>
MP2: $271.50
<font color="black">Hero (MP3): $198</font>
CO: $90
BTN: $129.15

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, MP1 calls $2, MP2 folds, Hero calls $2, CO folds, BTN calls $2, <font color="red">SB raises to $12</font>, BB calls $10, MP1 calls $10, Hero calls $10, BTN folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $10</font>, MP1 calls $10, Hero calls $10, SB calls $10

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($90) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets all-in for $80.75</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $80.75

Raise Flop?
Call Turn?

[raistlinx]

Raising pf is fine as is calling.

As played, the rest is fine.

[chriz300]

raise flop.

as played: fold turn

[effang]

def raise the flop. the PF raiser (sb) checked. unless he's a crazy player who is looking to c/r the flop with his AA, he's probably done with the hand.

you have an overpair, plus oesd, raise it up.

[jhill3535]

Why should I raise the flop here?

Am I raising for value, or as a semi-bluff in position to buy a free river card. I don't see any fold equity, but I may be wrong.

How much should I raise the flop if that is what I was going to do? Given effective stack sizes a push would be just about pot sized, so just shove?

[Georgia Avenue]

[ QUOTE ]
Why should I raise the flop here?

Am I raising for value, or as a semi-bluff in position to buy a free river card. I don't see any fold equity, but I may be wrong.

How much should I raise the flop if that is what I was going to do? Given effective stack sizes a push would be just about pot sized, so just shove?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yup, push. BB could be betting dry flush draw or top pair over what looks like whiffed AK.

[jhill3535]

I don't know where you see a whiffed AK here, MP1? Do people really play AK that bad at 1/2?

I really think that pushing the flop is probably correct, and that I played this hand terrible.

I just ran a pokerstove that came out pretty interesting. If I give both players very wide ranges that include all the likely overpairs, sets, straights, straight draws, flush draws, 2 pairs, and pair+draws, I get a range of:
JJ-44,AKs,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,Ah9h,A8s-A7s,Ah6h,Ah4h,Ah3h,Ah2h,KhQh,QhJh,JhTh,Th9h,98s,86 s+,75s+,65s,54s,43s,AKo,A8o-A7o,98o,87o,75o+,65o,54o

If this is the range (total 16% of hands) then I am the favorite with 88 (given my 8 of hearts)at about 36% if they both call my push. If only 1 calls, then I am about a 56.5% favorite on the flop.

Worst case I get one caller with made straight or set and have 23% equity. But if they both have a set and both call, then I am actually a favorite at 36%.

[Georgia Avenue]

Dont forget you could get called by a worse hand like AxHH!

SB whiffed right?

[jhill3535]

yes, SB whiffed, but there are 2 guys interested in the pot (somewhat) post flop, I don't think they whiffed.

In the course of playing the hand, 88 just didn't feel like a very big hand, but looking back on it now, it is much stronger.

[effang]

[ QUOTE ]
Why should I raise the flop here?

Am I raising for value, or as a semi-bluff in position to buy a free river card. I don't see any fold equity, but I may be wrong.

How much should I raise the flop if that is what I was going to do? Given effective stack sizes a push would be just about pot sized, so just shove?

[/ QUOTE ]

sb c/c a 1/5 pot sized bet and folded on the turn.

i think you have a lot of FE. i mean, this is either a monster, (flopped straight), or A7 trying to end the hand now. it's pretty easy to see where you are at. just bump it up to a pot sized bet, and you'll see what's up.