10/20 River Decision with Broadway

[JJH3984]

Motor City 10/20

Game seems to be swinging between loose passive and tight passive with a couple marginally spazzy spots

Villian: has opened things like 78s and A8o in early position. Becomes LP after a raise though. I'm not sure if he'd threebet AQ in this spot, for example; he might though. I have not seen him get out of line after the flop. He is stuck a rack and a half.

Me: I have a LAG image. I've shown down a lot of suited connecters that I raised after limpers. I haven't gotten out of line postflop, but I'm not sure if he realizes this.


Folded to me in MP with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I raise. Folded to SB who threebets. BB Folds. I call.

Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB bets. I call.

Turn J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB bets. I raise. SB calls.

River 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] SB checks. I bet. SB raises. Hero?

[Niediam]

3bet and call a raise. Much more likely he has an AK or JJ type hand that a flush.

Rest of the hand is good.

[Moemar]

River, re-raise his check raise, and call if he caps.

If he runner-runnered you, pay him off. Seems more likely that he is being slow with a set or flopped top two. I don't think he knows where he is at.

[cgrohman]

Agreed. 3 bet this [censored] and pay off a 4.

[JJH3984]

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River, re-raise his check raise, and call if he caps.



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No cap heads up. Obviously I'm not five betting though.

[signal]

Pretty much in agreement with other posters, I'd say 3-bet and call.

His PF 3B out of the sb is AK, AA, KK, JJ enough times to warrant putting in a 3-bet on the river. Hands that are plausible that beat you are AQ clubs maybe A10 clubs so definitely 3 bet this river and call. There are many more combinations of AK, AA, KK, JJ than AQ/A10 clubs so most likely you won.

[Joe Tall]

There is one hand that beats you A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](usually), 3-bet the river, looks like a turned set of Jacks that has you on AK, or he has a AA/KK set. You may be a little light on your feet w/QTs in MP but you were there so could be fine.

[surfdoc]

Calling a 4 bet on this river against a guy who "I have not seen him get out of line after the flop" has got to be a mistake. This is especially true in a 10/20 game. Nobody is 4 betting that river without a flush.

I am really suprised by the responses in this thread. Why exactly do we think this guy is too weak to 3 bet the turn with a set but then suddenly springs back to life when a scary draw completing card slides off on the river?

[KitCloudkicker]

if you 3 bang and get 4 bet, although folding might be immediately +EV, it probably makes you look like an idiot and one of two things will happen

1) people will take shots at you.

2) even if they dont, you will think people are always taking shots at you and become a call station.


keep that in mind.

[surfdoc]

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if you 3 bang and get 4 bet, although folding might be immediately +EV, it probably makes you look like an idiot and one of two things will happen

1) people will take shots at you.

2) even if they dont, you will think people are always taking shots at you and become a call station.


keep that in mind.

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Once again this is total nonsense. This isn't the stars 200/400. If someone wants to exploit me by bluff 4 betting rivers then by all means exploit away and see how bad you get your ass handed to you.