Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Medium Stakes

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 11-04-2007, 06:57 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sverige
Posts: 6,815
Default Re: ????

I like. Seems like you're only ahead A7 unless he's stupid.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-04-2007, 06:57 PM
jfish jfish is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: what else is on my mind grapes?
Posts: 8,150
Default Re: ????

and he should raise A3/33/QQ/AA on flop.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-04-2007, 06:59 PM
john kane john kane is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,829
Default Re: ????

this seems like a perfect flop to check-raise massive on. your first to act, there is a preflop raise who is facing 3 opponents on an A high flush draw flop.

check-raise big will stink of semi bluff. even if he folds, meh, not bad for meta.

your never getting 3 streets of value here so lead flop sucks for that reason as well imo.

if anything check-call flop crai turn if flush misses.

given you've lead flop, i'd check the turn. your never betting the river (unless A or Q) and so he'll know you dont have the flush and so could bluff you off a stronger hand (as he appears to have done here). instead i prefer check-call or crai turn.

regardless though, flop lead seems bizarre imo, seems way to strong. who leads into a AcQx3c board first to act in a 4 way pot with a pfr with a [censored] hand. your defining your hand as strong right from the off, which isnt wise imo.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-04-2007, 06:59 PM
MATT111 MATT111 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Driving sideways on a one way street
Posts: 3,066
Default Re: ????

[ QUOTE ]
and he should raise A3/33/QQ/AA on flop.

[/ QUOTE ]


I dont think he should raise the flop with A3.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11-04-2007, 07:00 PM
jfish jfish is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: what else is on my mind grapes?
Posts: 8,150
Default Re: ????

why not, most every tag 3bets AQ/QQ/AA.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 11-04-2007, 07:04 PM
d2themfi d2themfi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 3 weeks till 21st!!!
Posts: 770
Default Re: ????

Calling the flop lead with A7 seems pretty damn thin to me i would tend to disregard that as part of his range for the most part i think given his preflop stats, position and number of players ur betting into. Maybe in a vacuum this is a c/f, but like ship said if your ever bluff shoving this river to fold out AK AJ type hands then shoving it here seems good too
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 11-04-2007, 07:06 PM
MATT111 MATT111 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Driving sideways on a one way street
Posts: 3,066
Default Re: ????

[ QUOTE ]
why not, most every tag 3bets AQ/QQ/AA.

[/ QUOTE ]


Dont know about history between you and villain obv.
Anyway if I was villain in this hand I would consider AQ a huge part of your range. If he raises the flop he is not getting the money in good vs. your range. Much better to wait and see what happens on the turn from his perspective.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 11-04-2007, 07:06 PM
d2themfi d2themfi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 3 weeks till 21st!!!
Posts: 770
Default Re: ????

but then again its hard to think of hands that would have got here as a bluff
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 11-04-2007, 07:22 PM
sauce123 sauce123 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Loungin\' Son
Posts: 503
Default Re: ????

i like shoving river a lot better than check/fold
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 11-04-2007, 07:33 PM
WelshChip WelshChip is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 358
Default Re: ????

you would shove the river with everything that beats AK
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:56 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.