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03-08-2007, 04:07 PM
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Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the difference?
As far as I can tell, religious ideology and political ideology have just as much subjectivity and should both be kept separate from the state for the same reasons.
Anyone see it differently? If so, could you please explain why religious ideology should be treated differently from political ideology? 
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03-08-2007, 04:17 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
Some may disagree--however, I am not one of them.
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03-08-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
Which political ideology has been objectively and empirically verified?
Can I find a list of predictions and controlled objective test results? Also, if what you're saying is true, why should there exist more than one objective political ideology?
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03-08-2007, 04:39 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
If you keep political ideology out of the state... how do you still have a state? Minimum wage - political ideology discussion. Invading a country - political ideology discussion.
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03-08-2007, 04:40 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
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Can I find a list of predictions and controlled objective test results? [/ QUOTE ] Check out a journal of economics, sociology, or law. [ QUOTE ] Also, if what you're saying is true, why should there exist more than one objective political ideology? [/ QUOTE ] Why does there exist more than one theory of quantum gravity? Because no one's figured out which one is true. Ditto politics.
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03-08-2007, 04:48 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
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Check out a journal of economics, sociology, or law. [/ QUOTE ] why do we vote on these social issues if they've been objectively settled? [ QUOTE ] Why does there exist more than one theory of quantum gravity? Because no one's figured out which one is true. Ditto politics. [/ QUOTE ] No quantum gravity theories are considered much more than religion right now because of this. It would be the equivalent of the science community having a majority vote on which of the various theories of quantum gravity, which have no current scientific basis of differentiation, should prevail and then go about instituting them as fact which all scientist must abide by.
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03-08-2007, 04:57 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
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If you keep political ideology out of the state... how do you still have a state? Minimum wage - political ideology discussion. Invading a country - political ideology discussion. [/ QUOTE ] Right - there should not be a state. Just how we have different houses of worship with no forced inclusion, so we should treat political ideology the same. If you want to join a socialist kibbutz, fine. You want to pay high taxes for certain services, fine. You want to live in freedom, fine. etc. The question is when does one ideology have the right to take control of a central system of exclusive control such as the government. My answer is it doesn't for the same reasons a specific religious ideology has no right to invade a central system like government
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03-08-2007, 04:59 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
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If you keep political ideology out of the state... how do you still have a state? Minimum wage - political ideology discussion. Invading a country - political ideology discussion. [/ QUOTE ] I too would like to know what the OP is trying to say. How do you keep politics out of...er...politics?
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03-08-2007, 05:05 PM
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Re: Religious Ideology versus Political Ideology: What\'s the differenc
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[ QUOTE ] If you keep political ideology out of the state... how do you still have a state? Minimum wage - political ideology discussion. Invading a country - political ideology discussion. [/ QUOTE ] I too would like to know what the OP is trying to say. How do you keep politics out of...er...politics? [/ QUOTE ] My point is that there is some hypocrisy in the treatment of religion and politics. When people advocate the popular idea like we should keep religion and state separate, they're essentially saying that they believe subjective ideology should be kept out of a central system that effects everyone especially when there are no rights to cessation. Im saying this is something that applies to all ideology, not just that which is linked to a deity.
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