Turn betting a draw multiway - FT 5/10

[Haupt_234]

Typical 5/10 table. No stats on villain but I have taken down a few pots HU against him. He once c/red me on the turn OOP when the FD hit and the check/folded the river.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2BB, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, 2 folds.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Results:
Final pot: 6BB

Haupt_234

[Allday Everyday]

Personally, I don't like the turn bet with the straight draw. I don't think you'll take it down here quite enough for it to be profitable. I suppose it's a good board to do the semi-bluff on, however in my experience, one or two of these players will call in this spot. I think these same players will sometimes check it through given the chance...

I think I'd check-fold the river with that pot regardless of your read on him.

[Jiggymike]

Haupt,
Pot is kinda small, why fire another barrel with nothing? I think I just let this one go because if you get called you are dead, you might be relying on the F/D read a little too strongly. Also he might have a F/D with 65c or K2c, at which point he was already ahead or drew out. I probably wouldn't even have bothered to take a shot at this pot but its actually a pretty good bet on the turn with that board...gotta figure no one has anything yet, although a rainbow board would be even better.

[Nick Royale]

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I think I just let this one go because if you get called you are dead

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This is just the definition of a bluff and not a an argument.

I think this hand is standard and I think those who say anything else need to try to put villain on a hand.

[gezuz]

readless I hate it. When the flop is checked through, your fold equity drops like a brick. It's such a small pot that I don't mind c/f river, even c/f turn. After the flop check through, villain could have 66-99, Kx clubs, weak Q, lots to beat a bluff.

[Jiggymike]

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I think I just let this one go because if you get called you are dead

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This is just the definition of a bluff and not a an argument.

I think this hand is standard and I think those who say anything else need to try to put villain on a hand.

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LOL, well if anyone didn't know what a bluff is, there you go. I meant you can't beat anything that he calls with so you are hoping for a fold. I don't think he folds here 1 in 5 times on the river without a read (he's already been in a few pots HU with Haupt) so I think the bet on the river isn't great.

EDIT: I tried to get out without giving hands I thought he might have. Low PP is possible, something like 6s or 7s, higher than that probably would have gotten a raise preflop or bet on flop. Could have picked up a flush draw but could already have soemthing like Q7s and been afraid to bet his weak Q. On river you can't necessarily give him credit for making a pair of Ks but you can't rule out a Khigh flush draw either.

[Haupt_234]

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but could already have soemthing like Q7s and been afraid to bet his weak Q

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Based on the aggression he has shown in previous hands against me, him checking through a weak Q on the flop is very unlikely.

Haupt_234

[brettbrettr]

I think the pots too small and your draw too weak for betting this turn. I prob just wouldn't bother.

[gezuz]

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but could already have soemthing like Q7s and been afraid to bet his weak Q

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Based on the aggression he has shown in previous hands against me, him checking through a weak Q on the flop is very unlikely.

Haupt_234

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his aggression vs. you HU or overall? Obviously the two will be different

[Haupt_234]

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his aggression vs. you HU or overall? Obviously the two will be different

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From what I have seen him do in previous hands, he isn't the type to limp PF with Q7o or some garbage like that. And if he c/red me HU when the FD hit as a bluff (or even semi-bluff with an ace), I am assuming he would bet any top pair when checked to in LP....

Haupt_234