How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players

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The problem with there internet kids, that all they care is money, they talking all day about money - "money,money, money" , "i have to make some more money", "i'm playing just for money", they don't care about competition, challenge and pride.

For most of all i have respect to Patrik Antonius, Phil ivey, Gus Hansen (Sammy Farha, Chip Reese, and some other, live players), because they are whilling to play anyone, anywhere, anytime, any stakes, cause they like the competition, the challenge, and for them it's about pride.

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Spoken like someone who doesn't play for a living.

What's so bad about playing to make money? Why should "pride" have anything to do with anything? Even if it IS about ego, isn't money the score of the game, and therefore the one making the most money is still winning?

To say "it's all about money" as a BAD thing makes no sense to me.

[KexChoklad123]

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Antonius doesn't say much either on HSP... yet no one complains about his quietness - instead, he's "classy".

Conversely, Jman is boring to watch? Seriously...

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That is not the same thing obviously. Patrik already made a name for himself. Who knows Phil Galfond really? With the exception of online players?

[VitoT]

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Spoken like someone who doesn't play for a living.

What's so bad about playing to make money? Why should "pride" have anything to do with anything? Even if it IS about ego, isn't money the score of the game, and therefore the one making the most money is still winning?

To say "it's all about money" as a BAD thing makes no sense to me.

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I do play for a living, for almost an year now, and making a very good living out of it, and of course this is a big bonus for me, but i'm not planning to do this for the rest of my life, i owe poker a lot of my economics skills, and some other ones, but i just don't like the general community involved. I play only cash games on online poker, but planning to move to europe soon, so i will play sometimes live too, maybe the big tournaments also.
And that's the problem of the game, you think money is all that matters, for sure it is a part of it, that's maybe the reason some chess players moved to it, but it is not all.
until those kiddies keep thinking of the game like it's only for money, it won't ever have a reputation of a real sport, cause they will always be afraid of playing the best.
You can't compare it to tennis, or golf, cause there are the best competing the best and not avoiding them, and the rise of many online players was pre-legislation, and i'm not sure they been there if they started to play after (i'm talking mostly about players up to 10/20 who dropped out of it). The pride issue for me is not that important, but i'm talking about real competition and challenge. If you talk to Roger Federer, or some other athlet about what they are doing, they will talk about anything but the "money they are making", they will talk about it just if they getting asked to, but it isn't there goal in life.
the thing is i never thought like that, and i do think that online players do have mathematical abilities, probably better then the live players abilities, but they are just so bad in other aspects, which i found are maybe more important, and that's why i think the best players are the live proffesionals.

[Gullanian]

Has tran heard of doyle brunson hes one of the best

[jwc529]

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The problem with there internet kids, that all they care is money, they talking all day about money - "money,money, money" , "i have to make some more money", "i'm playing just for money", they don't care about competition, challenge and pride.

For most of all i have respect to Patrik Antonius, Phil ivey, Gus Hansen (Sammy Farha, Chip Reese, and some other, live players), because they are whilling to play anyone, anywhere, anytime, any stakes, cause they like the competition, the challenge, and for them it's about pride.

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Spoken like someone who doesn't play for a living.

What's so bad about playing to make money? Why should "pride" have anything to do with anything? Even if it IS about ego, isn't money the score of the game, and therefore the one making the most money is still winning?

To say "it's all about money" as a BAD thing makes no sense to me.

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the difference is those guys he mentioned have more money than these top online players and can afford these risks. They are more of the all around gambling type, but they are extremely competitive and care about winning. BTW do these top online NLH specialists have to move down to get action or are they just not on full tilt anymore? They might play less hands then those live players now if that's not the case.

[quirkasaurus]

has kenny tran ever heard of Alex Jacobs? Greg Raymer?

[quirkasaurus]

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With all the talk on these forums about OMG SAMPLE SIZE OMG SIZE SAMPLE OMG, what makes anyone think a single match between 5 live players and 5 online players will amount to anything?
This whole debate is ridiculous and will never be settled. Christ.

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i totally agree. and i think the results of this year's WSOP
kind of indicate that great poker players come from live and
online.

but lemme add some 2 cents here... there is a different skill
set involved in live vs online play... and from what i've
seen, online players are able to adjust to the live play
skill set fairly easily, while the converse doesn't seem
to be true.

whether who is the best, durrr, raptor, hellmuth or tran...
how many zillions of hands would they have to play against
each other before THAT'S settled ?!

i know if i was a world class player --- ( big if ) ---
i would have almost zero desire to prove myself against
the other best in the world out there. i'd rather just
play the fish and keep myself from getting a heart attack
or ulcers.

[MCS]

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until those kiddies keep thinking of the game like it's only for money, it won't ever have a reputation of a real sport, cause they will always be afraid of playing the best.

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I don't think it's a sport anyway, but I bet poker is getting more time on ESPN than most sports.

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You can't compare it to tennis, or golf, cause there are the best competing the best and not avoiding them

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But that's the best way to make money in those endeavors. It's not like these guys are getting to choose from sixty different tournaments in a given week. If you want to make a lot of money at tennis, you will end up playing the best players.

There is also no entry requirement other than money to move up stakes in the poker world. It's not like guys on golf's Nationwide tour can just declare that from now on they're playing on the PGA Tour even if it costs them money. A lot of players are trying to get money to move up, and a lot of them have moved up too fast and too far. There is a TON of ego/pride in poker.


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If you talk to Roger Federer, or some other athlet about what they are doing, they will talk about anything but the "money they are making", they will talk about it just if they getting asked to, but it isn't there goal in life.

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Roger Federer is dominating tennis (in a way that no poker player could destroy poker, incidentally). Of course it's about the challenge for him, because he is rich as hell anyway and only really needs to worry about his legacy. Besides that, he's maximizing his income by playing all the majors and stuff.

If you told struggling tennis players there would be a more lucrative but less prestigious tour, I bet most of them would jump to it.


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the thing is i never thought like that, and i do think that online players do have mathematical abilities, probably better then the live players abilities, but they are just so bad in other aspects, which i found are maybe more important, and that's why i think the best players are the live proffesionals.

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A lot of players are motivated to move up in stakes and beat the competition. And how do you know if you've beaten the competition? When you win money!

Have you ever played with really topnotch online guys? I'd wager you haven't, so I don't see how you're qualified to say how they're "so bad" at anything.

[jwc529]

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i know if i was a world class player --- ( big if ) ---
i would have almost zero desire to prove myself against
the other best in the world out there. i'd rather just
play the fish and keep myself from getting a heart attack
or ulcers.

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They only got on that level by continually playing the best whether they're an online or live player. Playing fish for too long makes great players rusty imo

[JJH3984]

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calling people pathetic over the internets is fun for every-one.

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except for my opponents...